Eating Dogs, what do you think? *Disturbing*

[AusCatDogs_4Ever]

Personally, I think it's sick. Dogs are mans best friend! And the way they keep & kill them is disgusting. They keep them piled on top of another in little cages. (Also including cats!) They hang dogs and beat them to death, or, cut off their legs and let them bleed to death... They boil cats alive in pressure-cookers. But who cares? They're just food. This is definatly animal cruelty! What do you think? Agree, disagree?

http://www.scottishspca.org/campaign/KoreanDogs.htm

http://www.dogbiz.com/dont-eat-dog-meat.htm

:(

[mojozen]

The way they die bothers me. The fact people eat dogs does not bother me. I had pet chickens growing up... I still eat chicken. There are many animals that americans eat - cows, pigs etc - that other cultures do not and find it very disturbing that we do.

[bubbatd]

This has been hashed before ..... horrible, ...... I have to close my mind to it. Ranting doesn't help them .

[AusCatDogs_4Ever]

The way they die bothers me. The fact people eat dogs does not bother me. I had pet chickens growing up... I still eat chicken. There are many animals that americans eat - cows, pigs etc - that other cultures do not and find it very disturbing that we do.

That's what gets to me too. I eat meat also, but I would never eat a dog or a cat because I love them, they are my family. But I'm sure if I had a pet chicken, or cow, and got attached to them, I wouldn't eat chicken or cow meat either. But at least chickens, cows, pigs, etc. are raised properly.

[mojozen]

That's what gets to me too. I eat meat also, but I would never eat a dog or a cat because I love them, they are my family. But I'm sure if I had a pet chicken, or cow, and got attached to them, I wouldn't eat chicken or cow meat either. But at least chickens, cows, pigs, etc. are raised properly.


Not always.... not everywhere.

[AusCatDogs_4Ever]

Not always.... not everywhere.

I know not exactly EVERYWHERE, but they are raised well on most farms, around here anyway, but almost every dog eaten in Korea are beat to death and are raised in horrible conditions.

[mojozen]

I know not exactly EVERYWHERE, but they are raised well on most farms, around here anyway, but almost every dog eaten in Korea are beat to death and are raised in horrible conditions.

So are the rest of their animals. So, it's okay for them to beat their other livestock but they can't do the same to the dogs/cats? For most people there the dogs are not considered pets, they are considered livestock the same as the chickens, pigs and cows. "Pet" dogs over there are generally fancy purebreds, not mutts that are captured or raised for food purposes.

[~Tucker&Me~]

I would never eat dog or cat, but I'm sure that if I grew up with pigs and cows I wouldn't eat them either.
I do not like the way the animals are treated, and so my family buys special meats and animal products from places we trust.

~Tucker

[AusCatDogs_4Ever]

So are the rest of their animals. So, it's okay for them to beat their other livestock but they can't do the same to the dogs/cats? For most people there the dogs are not considered pets, they are considered livestock the same as the chickens, pigs and cows. "Pet" dogs over there are generally fancy purebreds, not mutts that are captured or raised for food purposes.

No, I don't agree with them beating livestock either, they are animals too, and they can feel pain just as dogs and cats do. I posted about the "dogs" in particular since this is a dog forum, and we normally don't eat dogs around here.

[bubbatd]

I saw actual breeds in those pictures !!! I really feel that was done for promotion pictures for awareness of the cause. Not that it makes a difference, but most would be curs raised for food. Those from India could cringe that we eat beef. I love lamb, but one of my daughters won't eat it because of sweet lambs. Don't forget the Cannibals !!! Those 1940 movies gave me nightmares.... humans in boiling water ! I agee... once when we were in Mexico , husband ordered chicken. He pushed the plate aside after a few pieces......it was definately cat and I couldn't even finish whatever I was eating !! BARF!!!!!!

[Saje]

That's what gets to me too. I eat meat also, but I would never eat a dog or a cat because I love them, they are my family. But I'm sure if I had a pet chicken, or cow, and got attached to them, I wouldn't eat chicken or cow meat either. But at least chickens, cows, pigs, etc. are raised properly.

Raised properly? In some places yes. Depends on what you mean by properly.

However the ends of their lives are not good. I'm sure I"ve grossed out many members with my rant on slaughter factories but I can't help it. People need to know.

1. Cattle that are injured are stilled packed into trucks and shipped to a slaughterhouse which is usually quite a distance. They can't be dead when they arrive and they can't have drugs in their system. Animals with broken limbs... arrive at slaughterhouses and are never treated.

2. Animals stand in corrals outside of slaughterhouses where they can hear what's going on inside. I'm sure they can smell it and feel it too.

3. Once inside they are hopefully killed immediately but I think about one out of 10 get their skin ripped off while still alive. Those are my bf's statistics. Not accurate I'm sure. He worked in a slaughterhouse in Alberta.

4. Living fetuses are cut out of their dead mothers and tossed down a shoot to have their necks slit and their blood drained for scientific research. Pure, untainted blood. That's what they like. My boyfriend used to take the time to kill them before they were tossed down the shoot even though it slowed up the line. He said most of them were almost full sized.

I'm sure you have more of a say about what goes on in your hometown then overseas. If you have to start fighting something that might be a good place to start.

[AusCatDogs_4Ever]

Raised properly? In some places yes. Depends on what you mean by properly.

However the ends of their lives are not good. I'm sure I"ve grossed out many members with my rant on slaughter factories but I can't help it. People need to know.

1. Cattle that are injured are stilled packed into trucks and shipped to a slaughterhouse which is usually quite a distance. They can't be dead when they arrive and they can't have drugs in their system. Animals with broken limbs... arrive at slaughterhouses and are never treated.

2. Animals stand in corrals outside of slaughterhouses where they can hear what's going on inside. I'm sure they can smell it and feel it too.

3. Once inside they are hopefully killed immediately but I think about one out of 10 get their skin ripped off while still alive. Those are my bf's statistics. Not accurate I'm sure. He worked in a slaughterhouse in Alberta.

4. Living fetuses are cut out of their dead mothers and tossed down a shoot to have their necks slit and their blood drained for scientific research. Pure, untainted blood. That's what they like. My boyfriend used to take the time to kill them before they were tossed down the shoot even though it slowed up the line. He said most of them were almost full sized.

I'm sure you have more of a say about what goes on in your hometown then overseas. If you have to start fighting something that might be a good place to start.

OMG that's horrible, I never knew that.:(

[bubbatd]

And what did you all have for dinner tonight ???? We really can't think beyond our table..... What about baby girls killed at birth in China ?

[brem]

In China, they eat cats and dogs because they were once starving and it was all they could get.

Can you blame them?

[brem]

Also, I have eaten rabbit, and I have two pet rabbits now. Can't say I'll never eat a rabbit again.

[bubbatd]

I think I've eaten almost everything but dog and cat !

[brem]

Me too grammy hehehehe

[brem]

Oh... and insects...

[AusCatDogs_4Ever]

Oh... and insects...

:eek: Gross.. LOL

[Dobiegurl]

:eek: Gross.. LOL

Ditto!!

I agree with Mojo, I don't have a problem with people who eat them but its the way they are treated. I understand that food is scarce in some parts of the world and animals eat animals so I just see it as the food chain. But to abuse them like that really bothers me.

[Ash47]

Well, we boil lobster alive. That's why I don't eat lobster and will never eat veal.

[AusCatDogs_4Ever]

Well, we boil lobster alive. That's why I don't eat lobster and will never eat veal.

I don't eat any type of sea food.:p

[bubbatd]

Sorry , I LOVE lobster and any sea food... I wish I could afford veal !!! I have a great recipe but have to substitute chicken !

[bubbatd]

BTW... I understand that lobster really don't feel anything if you plunge them in head first .

[yoko]

well i learned in history that most things don't feel pain for long when they are burned alive since our nerves are close to the skin and after the initial burns that you don't feel anything aside from the smoke you're breathing in.

i would NEVER eat a cat or a dog. i am korean and i know it's a problem. but the problem started when countries ran out of food and no longer had anything to eat aside from rodents and the pets they had. it came from necessity. i no longer think it is ok since they are doing so much better and have many different forms of food now

[mojozen]

People may have started off eating dogs over there due to a food shortage but I'm sure that raising dogs to eat, is still cheaper than trying to find grazing range for cattle over there. Dogs can subsist on what we consume ourselves, they don't need a large amount of food, nor a lot of room, like cattle and most other pasture animals.

I'm not going to knock another person's culture just because it's not similar to mine. That's my bottom line. Yes it's horrible how those animals are treated over there, but the slaughterhouse industry isn't much better. There are companies that are trying to make the deaths MORE humane, but we're a long way from being able to point fingers at other countries.

I can't say that I'd ever not try dog or cat or horse or whatever. I've had goat and as a kid i raised goats strictly as beloved pets... same with my chickens. They were all my pets but I won't turn down the meat now.

[Rubylove]

And what did you all have for dinner tonight ???? We really can't think beyond our table..... What about baby girls killed at birth in China ?
I had vegetarian pasta. I'm a dedicated vegetarian, and I don't eat ANY meat at all, not prawns, lobster, fish, chicken, lamb, veal, beef, anything.

I decided that I could not truly call myself an animal activist, welfare worker and lover, if I continued to eat meat. It's not the eating so much, but the treatment and the way they are killed that sickens and appalls me.

One day, I hope to be vegan. I'm working towards it, but it's not easy. However, not all things really worth doing are easy!! ;)

[Dizzy]

There was a documnetary on in England a few months ago about slaughterhouses.

VERY graphic. Just showed the men going about their work. Killing pigs - laughing and joking. It showed the kosher slaughterman, and how he did it.

It was VERY disturbing and saddening. If anyone can get hold of it to watch, I'd recommend it, just to see what goes on.

[doberkim]

I know not exactly EVERYWHERE, but they are raised well on most farms, around here anyway, but almost every dog eaten in Korea are beat to death and are raised in horrible conditions.

raised well on most farms?
have you seen beef and dairy farms?
do you know many dairy cows never even actually get to go to ap asture once they start producing?

do you know how the animals are actually killed?

assuming we are any more kind and gentle to our food sources over here on this side of the big pond is pretty dangerous...

[AusCatDogs_4Ever]

What I meant was at least they aren't raised cramped in little cages their whole lives, piled on top of other animals. I agree they are also killed very cruely.

[JennSLK]

I agree they are also killed very cruely

I dont know about you guys, but we have allways killed our own beef. We shoot them in the head.

I would say thats fairly humane

[Amstaffer]

This has been discussed but to some up my opinion. It is not better nor worse than canabalism. The history we share and devotion they give us, make us very close culturally and our genetic history (we succeed because of them, they succeed because of us) thus I feel we are close enough to make eating them on par with canabalism. They are our partners not our cattle.

[jamiechew]

I don't know what to say except this compares with China's skinning of dogs and cats for their fur.. it just makes one want to be a vegan.

[2pups622]

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[sparks19]

Yeah but I would eat a person if I was starving ;) Ever seen "alive" :p

[doberkim]

What I meant was at least they aren't raised cramped in little cages their whole lives, piled on top of other animals. I agree they are also killed very cruely.

but they are!

thats my point.

have you seen chicken production plants? where the chickens live stacked in cages on top of eachother, so the chicken on the bottom is crapped on by all the ones on top?
or the places where the beaks are cut off so they cannot peck each other to death?

have you seen feedlots where beefcattle go? how packed they are?

[AusCatDogs_4Ever]

but they are!

thats my point.

have you seen chicken production plants? where the chickens live stacked in cages on top of eachother, so the chicken on the bottom is crapped on by all the ones on top?
or the places where the beaks are cut off so they cannot peck each other to death?

have you seen feedlots where beefcattle go? how packed they are?

Well I was thinking of cows in feilds..... But anyhow, I don't like arguing and such, I just thought some farmers, not all, but some may have raised their stock with care, but I guess they're all bad. So I'm wrong about everything, your right.:)

[Julie]

Aus, You are not wrong about all farmers. Every piece of beef in my freezer came from free range cows.......out in the fields. And locally raised, butchered, and wrapped. From farms I have visited in the past.
Not to say none of these terrible conditions don't happen else where.....I know it does, but you are right.....there still are farmers that care about the quality of care and therefore meat produced. :)

[Saje]

Aus, You are not wrong about all farmers. Every piece of beef in my freezer came from free range cows.......out in the fields. And locally raised, butchered, and wrapped. From farms I have visited in the past.
Not to say none of these terrible conditions don't happen else where.....I know it does, but you are right.....there still are farmers that care about the quality of care and therefore meat produced. :)

I don't have any interest in eating meat but I wish that people would do their research and get their meat from a source like that. We promote responsible breeding. Why can't we be responsible here as well?

[CanadianK9]

but they are!

thats my point.

have you seen chicken production plants? where the chickens live stacked in cages on top of eachother, so the chicken on the bottom is crapped on by all the ones on top?
or the places where the beaks are cut off so they cannot peck each other to death?

have you seen feedlots where beefcattle go? how packed they are?

Speaking from and experienced point of view, I know here chickens and cattle are dealt with and raised very humanely, how, because a few friends of mine are farmers and I have helped out, and they follow the common and modern farming techniques.

For chickens there is a very large barn in which you place the baby chicks in, it is bedded with straw everywhere and heated so the chickens are comfy, they have feeding baskets which are filled mechanically, and water pegs that they can peck for water. When they are old enough and big enough, they are then killed humanely.

(you take your right hand and hold a foot between your index and middle finger, the other foot between your ring and pinky finger, you then take your left hand placing the base of its skull between your index and middle finger and with a quick and fluid snap you separate the brainstem, and spinal cord. This death is quick and painless.)

For cattle they are given pasture and also have a barn area where they can go inside which is bedded and cleaned alot, they are fed at regular times, given water at regular times, etc. When they are ready to be slaughtered they are brought to a slaughter facilty that shoots them im the head, which is also quick and painless.


Anyway, that is here, as for other places I dont know, all I know is here they seem to be quite humane about it. Its sad to say some dont, but that is the reality of the world.

[jamiechew]

quote: "Ever seen "alive" "


I have seen that movie and also read the book.. there was a difference there too, some of them got to relish the "food" they were eating, while others barely managed to get enough down to survive. I guess people will do anything if they are starving, but its a whole other matter to eat dog as a regular dish.. but I guess if its the culture its the same as us eating beef, pork or veal.. but I would still rather be a vegan than eat dog.

[soft pawz]

I decided that I could not truly call myself an animal activist, welfare worker and lover, if I continued to eat meat.


i dont know about that. i think you can eat meat and love and help animals at the same time. i dont think i could go without meat i like it to much and i think it is only the natural food chain to eat meat.
we are part of nature and i wouldnt call a human wrong for eating meat just like i wouldnt call a lion, wolf or dog wrong for being a carnivore.

nevertheless i wish they would kill them in a more human way and give them a nice good treatment until they die. thats what every animal deserves.

i would never eat dog as dog are companions and for me higher ranked then other animals. humans and dogs are so close. you can connect with dogs in a way you couldnt with a bunny or chicken. they chose us to rely on and it feels like betrail to me to eat them.

i dont wanna judge other cultures though. some cultures wouldnt eat cattle, i do and wouldnt wanna be judged because of it. HOWEVER the way those dogs and cats get treated and killed is pure torture.
everybody who treats an animal like that should get the same treatment!

[sparks19]

quote: "Ever seen "alive" "


I have seen that movie and also read the book.. there was a difference there too, some of them got to relish the "food" they were eating, while others barely managed to get enough down to survive. I guess people will do anything if they are starving, but its a whole other matter to eat dog as a regular dish.. but I guess if its the culture its the same as us eating beef, pork or veal.. but I would still rather be a vegan than eat dog.


but see thats the thing. They don't have the same culture as we do. Dogs are not pets to a lot of people there. they aren't held in the same regard as here. it's not like they just say "hmmm think I will cook up spot for dinner tonight" It's a source of food for them. just like you said, just like cows and pigs for us.

[mrose_s]

well, again, with all animal deaths like that. that is what bothers me. I am not vegetarian because I believe eating meat is wrong, but I do believe allowing an animal to suffer like that is what has to be stopped. So I choose not to support it by being vegetarian. thats what I do.

The thing is, that we find it so disturbing because dogs int he west are companion animals. they help protect, love and work for us. they arnt seen as food becaus ethey are to valuable.. but, and correct me if im wrong, bu i think it is india that look at cattle as sacred animals, to the point where they wander the streets. To them, us eating a cow would be repulsive how ever we se nothing wrong with it.

so, it does depend on culture, and ofcourse I feel more for the dogs because i have spent so much more time with dogs than cattle (eventhough cattle are probably my favourite animal along with dogs and cats and horses)

but i do agree the conditions in which these dogs are kept in is dsgusting and wrong.

[mrose_s]

I had vegetarian pasta. I'm a dedicated vegetarian, and I don't eat ANY meat at all, not prawns, lobster, fish, chicken, lamb, veal, beef, anything.

I decided that I could not truly call myself an animal activist, welfare worker and lover, if I continued to eat meat. It's not the eating so much, but the treatment and the way they are killed that sickens and appalls me.

One day, I hope to be vegan. I'm working towards it, but it's not easy. However, not all things really worth doing are easy!! ;)

thast me in a nutshell. when people find out im veg, they say "how long? why? anyone else in your family a veg? and do you eat fish/chicken etc?"
and some of the time the only way to get through to them is to say "i dont eat anything that has been alive" (this all gets very confusing when it comes to plants) and then they think your some over radical person about to shove your belifs down their neck.

As my mum still cooks my meals i have decided to hold off veganism. I want to get my own cow and chooks so that I dont have to go that way and i can rely on animals I know are treated well to hellp provide for me. lol.

[mrose_s]

but they are!

thats my point.

have you seen chicken production plants? where the chickens live stacked in cages on top of eachother, so the chicken on the bottom is crapped on by all the ones on top?
or the places where the beaks are cut off so they cannot peck each other to death?

have you seen feedlots where beefcattle go? how packed they are?


exactly, and veal for instance. the calfs cant even turn around! its wrong

[Muttlies3]

Are you kidding me?
There's no way "most" cows, chickens, pigs, etc are raised OR killed properly.

Unless it states "free-range" on eggs, beef, etc. they are treated cruelly from birth until the last second their suffering ends.

While still alive, chicken's beaks are cut off, bleach is poured into their eyes.
While still alive, cows get their necks and bodies slashed, hung upside down, while all of their blood drains from their bodies, suffering every moment until death.


Most likely the meat you buy from the grocery store is NOT from a happy little cow, chicken, pig, etc. that once lived in a nice field. Free-range meats are usually a heck of a lot expensive.


They are NO different than us - NO different at all. Over here in oh-so-perfect America we are just as disgusting when it comes to a majority of our livestock.


That said, I am a struggling vegetarian. I went vegetarian for a year but I basically starved myself. I didn't know how to go about it. I have been researching the subject for quite sometime and will once again try my hand at vegetarianism when I become more knowledgable on how to do it healthy.
To make myself feel a bit better, I do eat only free-range eggs, cheese, etc. It is incredibly expensive. For burgers, I eat boca burgers. I rarely eat beef. Only chicken & seafood.

And that said, I hate the fact that I love eating chicken and seafood so much. :(

When I was Veg. for a year I got all sort of dumb comments... "Are you with PETA or something?" NO FRICKIN WAY... I HATE that organization.

[AusCatDogs_4Ever]

Are you kidding me?
There's no way "most" cows, chickens, pigs, etc are raised OR killed properly.

Unless it states "free-range" on eggs, beef, etc. they are treated cruelly from birth until the last second their suffering ends.

While still alive, chicken's beaks are cut off, bleach is poured into their eyes.
While still alive, cows get their necks and bodies slashed, hung upside down, while all of their blood drains from their bodies, suffering every moment until death.


Most likely the meat you buy from the grocery store is NOT from a happy little cow, chicken, pig, etc. that once lived in a nice field. Free-range meats are usually a heck of a lot expensive.


They are NO different than us - NO different at all. Over here in oh-so-perfect America we are just as disgusting when it comes to a majority of our livestock.


That said, I am a struggling vegetarian. I went vegetarian for a year but I basically starved myself. I didn't know how to go about it. I have been researching the subject for quite sometime and will once again try my hand at vegetarianism when I become more knowledgable on how to do it healthy.
To make myself feel a bit better, I do eat only free-range eggs, cheese, etc. It is incredibly expensive. For burgers, I eat boca burgers. I rarely eat beef. Only chicken & seafood.

And that said, I hate the fact that I love eating chicken and seafood so much. :(

When I was Veg. for a year I got all sort of dumb comments... "Are you with PETA or something?" NO FRICKIN WAY... I HATE that organization.

I said I was wrong.:( It's just where I live there are a lot of farms around here and the cattle have great big feilds to run around in, instead of being caged all their lives. And at the farm were Charlie was born, the owner visits the cows everyday, hand feeds them and even pets them... I thought they were treated quite well, they looked happy and healthy to me. I said nothing about them "being killed properly" I just thought some herds or cattle were raised well, that's all... And as for chickens and pigs.. well I don't see many in my area, that's why when I mention "livestock" cows pop into my mind. I was refering more to cattle like I stated earlier.

[tempura tantrum]

I'm a vegetarian also- the idea of eating meat disgusts me personally, although I'll never look down on anyone else's choice to do so. It is a personal choice- no matter what you are eating. While the idea of people eating dogs and cats repulses most of us, it probably wouldn't were we raised somewhere where this was normal.

[dogluffer]

id nevr in my whole life eat a dog thee reason people eat pets is for rituals or if they have nothing to eat...but i rather eat sumthing else besides dogs! id nevr eat my 2 dogs!

[mia&co]

Ive not looked at the links, as Id rather not, (its my bed time).
I find it very disturbing, I believe that dogs have a speacial place, as a companion for humans.
In my eyes its almost verging on cannibalism, then again, im not overly keen on the thought of killing any animal for food.
mia
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[mrose_s]

I said I was wrong.:( It's just where I live there are a lot of farms around here and the cattle have great big feilds to run around in, instead of being caged all their lives. And at the farm were Charlie was born, the owner visits the cows everyday, hand feeds them and even pets them... I thought they were treated quite well, they looked happy and healthy to me. I said nothing about them "being killed properly" I just thought some herds or cattle were raised well, that's all... And as for chickens and pigs.. well I don't see many in my area, that's why when I mention "livestock" cows pop into my mind. I was refering more to cattle like I stated earlier.
and your not wrong to think that. Most Cattle stations up here treat their cattle exceptionally well, because we have so much vacant soace int he NT you let a massive heard of cattle roam about 2000 Acres+ just because its easy. Its in places where there isnt room that this becomes problematic. But also, know that after a life of grazing in the feilds, these animals are moved, being stressed and scared into trucks, 11 to an area and i think about 6 areas in a truck. Sometimes cattle slip and are trampled to death, some cattle carters pull them up and keep them safe, others cut their legs off with an axe if the slip out of the side.
Then once the get where they are going (often 100's or 1000's of km away) they are unloaded and maybe shipped to asia where they are killed unfairly, or maybe they are killed in Australia and killed inhumanley. Someitmes their life is good, but no matter how good their life is initially, they dont deserve how it ends.

[rottnpagan]

raised well on most farms?
have you seen beef and dairy farms?
do you know many dairy cows never even actually get to go to ap asture once they start producing?

Hmm, I guess our cattle farms are different here. :(

[rottnpagan]

id nevr in my whole life eat a dog thee reason people eat pets is for rituals or if they have nothing to eat...but i rather eat sumthing else besides dogs! id nevr eat my 2 dogs!

Rituals? Where did that come from?