SHe wants to dock his tail!!!!!!

[PixieSticksandTricks]

My stupid stepmom wants to get the new puppies tail docked :mad: . She even called the vet and he said he would do it for $80!!! I am so mad right now!!!! I don't live there so I don't have much say and my dad doesent really seem to interested in what I have to say period. The puppy is a mutt why does he need his tail docked? Oh because of the rottie in him my stepmom says thats how he should be!!!:mad: .

I am so mad!!! I even told my dad that docking and croping is illegal in some parts of the world. But he doesent care he'll let her do whatever she wants! RAH so DUMB!!!!!!

[Gempress]

I think it's cruel to dock a puppy's tail at that age. I'm surprised she was even able to find a vet who would do it for $80. I thought that after 3 days of age, the pup must go under full surgery anesthesia or something like that.

Tell your stepmom this: he's never, ever going to look like a pure rottie. Therefore, he's just going to look funky and silly with a docked tail.

[Zoom]

Tell your mom that the dog may look more like a GSD and will look stupid with a docked tail.

[PixieSticksandTricks]

I think it's cruel to dock a puppy's tail at that age. I'm surprised she was even able to find a vet who would do it for $80. I thought that after 3 days of age, the pup must go under full surgery anesthesia or something like that.

Tell your stepmom this: he's never, ever going to look like a pure rottie. Therefore, he's just going to look funky and silly with a docked tail.

I was surprised too and thought the same thing. I am jsut fuming still about it.

[Mordy]

Pixie, email me (moranna at mordanna dot com) - I'll be happy to forward you some material that might change your stepmom's mind.

[bubbatd]

I hope Mordy's info changes her mind .... otherwise, it's her dog , her choice and her $$$$ ...... sorry... poor mutt !

[Gallien Jacks]

how old is the pup? I would report that vet

[PixieSticksandTricks]

how old is the pup? I would report that vet
9 weeks!

Okay Mordy I will thanks :)

[AusCatDogs_4Ever]

:mad: .....Why do some people care soo much about the look of the dog then the dog itself??? And you say it's a 9 WEEK OLD MIX? That's crazy! Poor pup.:( I hope Mordy's info will help. Let us know if she changes her mind.

[Doggish.Obsession]

Y'know, who are we to judge what makes a dog beautiful? HMPH.

(I'm such a hypocrite. I judge them too, but... the thing I said up there IS true.)

[lpollockandrsn]

I have seen pups get their tails docked at that age but it is not a good idea. They do go under full anesthesia. It is a VERY painful surgery, and there is a good deal of post op pain and risk of local infection because of the area. They always bump that area as they sit down, and it always gets fecal matter in the incision site and it is a horrible place to try to keep a bandage on.
Sorry I guess you know that.
I hope the forwarded information helps change her mind. It's not a very nice thing to do at that age. I really don't see why she would bother. I am sure the pup will be beautiful just the way he is.
Tell her the site will be very hard to keep a bandage on and it will bleed all around the house. Maybe that will change her mind.

[amymarley]

Tell her you got a rusty butter knife and want to dock something on her..(too make her more "pretty.")

That is gross and selfish..... sorry, I was blunt, but I can't stand stupid people.

Better yet, print out this thread and throw it at her......
Amy

[~Tucker&Me~]

Pixie,
Sorry to bring this up again, but what ended up happening?

[Dobiegurl]

how old is the pup? I would report that vet

Report the vet for what? Its a surgery procedure just like any other surgery. You can't get the vet in trouble for that. When I got my puppy he had a tail but I decided to dock it because he is a purebred doberman and I wanted him to look like a standard Doberman. They do have to put the dog under but I had his tail amputated at the same time he had his ears cropped. Yes I did it for cosmetic reasons only but that was my choice and have never felt guilty about it. He was 12 weeks old and when he came home he was more playful than ever. Some dogs do experience severe pain but then there are others who don't care like my dog. He sat on it, ran into the wall with his stub and not one time did he whine or cry. He had pain mediction but I rarely used it. I don't know what this mutt looks like but if it doesn't look like a real rott, the docked tail is going to look foolish. When he had his ears taped up and bandage on his tail people always had something to say, but guess what? I don't care what anyone has to say and I had to put a few people in there place.

[IliamnasQuest]

When I worked for a vet, we did some tail amputations - but only for health reasons, not to feed some person's vanity.

We did dock tails on 3-4 day old pups too. Even on those pups, they showed signs of pain (squealing, whimpering, squirming to get away). But at least they healed very quickly.

Tail docking on an older puppy is much worse. Regardless of how quickly they may SEEM to bounce back, there is a level of pain there. You can't cut through muscles and tendons and take off sections of bone without pain. In addition, many of these types of surgeries are hard to keep clean and many become infected. To do that to something you supposedly are going to LOVE just escapes me. Where's the love when you feel you have to change the look to fit your own idea of "perfect"? That's not love. That's vanity.

When a person's dog gets old and isn't so pretty, will they just get rid of it because it doesn't look like what they think it should look like? Let's say it loses an ear or a leg .. is that dog no longer loved because it's not aesthetically pleasing anymore? I just can't understand the concept of having to put your dog through surgery or taking off pieces for non-health reasons just because you want your dog to look different.

PixieSticksandTricks, I hope your stepmom re-thinks this. If docking her pup's tail is that important to her, then she got the puppy for all the wrong reasons.

Melanie and the gang in Alaska

[Dobiegurl]

Tail docking on an older puppy is much worse. Regardless of how quickly they may SEEM to bounce back, there is a level of pain there. You can't cut through muscles and tendons and take off sections of bone without pain. In addition, many of these types of surgeries are hard to keep clean and many become infected. To do that to something you supposedly are going to LOVE just escapes me. Where's the love when you feel you have to change the look to fit your own idea of "perfect"? That's not love. That's vanity.

When a person's dog gets old and isn't so pretty, will they just get rid of it because it doesn't look like what they think it should look like? Let's say it loses an ear or a leg .. is that dog no longer loved because it's not aesthetically pleasing anymore? I just can't understand the concept of having to put your dog through surgery or taking off pieces for non-health reasons just because you want your dog to look different.


I never said he didn't occasionally feel pain but not as exagerated as some people make it seem. You can say whatever you want but I chose to get his tail and ears done. There was no infection and it was kept very clean and we took him to the vet every 2 days for about 2 weeks to keep an eye on the tail. I will never get rid of my dog. In dog shows all those people are looking at the dogs looks to make out the "perfect" dog of that breed. The dog world is totally superficial. I really don't care what people have to say about it but thats what I chose to do. You can do as you please with your dog why can't i? And no one asked you to undestand anything. I did it for my reasons and I do not have to explain anything to you or anybody else.

[IliamnasQuest]

I did it for my reasons and I do not have to explain anything to you or anybody else.


And yet you go on and on about it. You say the dog world is totally superficial - well, yes, to superficial people. There is a LOT of the dog world that is not.

You can do as you please with your dog why can't i?

Ahh, given this logic anyone should be able to abuse a dog with no repercussions. I'm sure those that have puppymills feel the same way. After all, they OWN the dogs so it's okay if they breed them every heat cycle, kick them when they walk by, or chop off their tails or cut up their ears.

After all, dogs are JUST a possession, right?

The ONLY reason to dock a tail and crop ears on an older pup or adult dog (short of injury) is for the vanity of the person. I'm sure that the dog would have preferred not to have his tail and ears cut up. Yes, you have your reasons. Just be honest about them.

Dogs have an amazing ability to forgive humans even though the humans do things for the wrong reasons.

As always, my personal opinion. I do hope that the original poster can talk her stepmom out of putting that poor puppy through unneccesary surgery, just to feed her own misguided ego.

Melanie and the gang in Alaska

[Dobiegurl]

The ONLY reason to dock a tail and crop ears on an older pup or adult dog (short of injury) is for the vanity of the person. I'm sure that the dog would have preferred not to have his tail and ears cut up. Yes, you have your reasons. Just be honest about them.


I said from the beginning I did it for cosmetic reasons only. So how is that not honest?

[Dobiegurl]

Report the vet for what? Its a surgery procedure just like any other surgery. You can't get the vet in trouble for that. When I got my puppy he had a tail but I decided to dock it because he is a purebred doberman and I wanted him to look like a standard Doberman. They do have to put the dog under but I had his tail amputated at the same time he had his ears cropped. Yes I did it for cosmetic reasons only but that was my choice and have never felt guilty about it. He was 12 weeks old and when he came home he was more playful than ever. Some dogs do experience severe pain but then there are others who don't care like my dog. He sat on it, ran into the wall with his stub and not one time did he whine or cry. He had pain mediction but I rarely used it. I don't know what this mutt looks like but if it doesn't look like a real rott, the docked tail is going to look foolish. When he had his ears taped up and bandage on his tail people always had something to say, but guess what? I don't care what anyone has to say and I had to put a few people in there place.

Just in case you didn't believe me.

[Dobiegurl]

After all, dogs are JUST a possession, right?

I don't know who the hell you think you are. You know nothing about me or my life. When did I say he was only a pocession? I believe that a dog gives you companionship and protection and in return we give then shelter and food. I do everything with my dog and he is WAY more than just a pocession. How dare you even say that. As I mentioned before you don't know me.

[JennSLK]

Jazz's litter was done at 2 days old. The only time I have ever heard of them docking a older dog was when they get the ears done if their tails are too lon for the show ring.

When I worked for a vet, we did some tail amputations - but only for health reasons, not to feed some person's vanity.

We did dock tails on 3-4 day old pups too. Even on those pups, they showed signs of pain (squealing, whimpering, squirming to get away). But at least they healed very quickly.

Tail docking on an older puppy is much worse. Regardless of how quickly they may SEEM to bounce back, there is a level of pain there. You can't cut through muscles and tendons and take off sections of bone without pain. In addition, many of these types of surgeries are hard to keep clean and many become infected. To do that to something you supposedly are going to LOVE just escapes me. Where's the love when you feel you have to change the look to fit your own idea of "perfect"? That's not love. That's vanity.

When a person's dog gets old and isn't so pretty, will they just get rid of it because it doesn't look like what they think it should look like? Let's say it loses an ear or a leg .. is that dog no longer loved because it's not aesthetically pleasing anymore? I just can't understand the concept of having to put your dog through surgery or taking off pieces for non-health reasons just because you want your dog to look different

Who the hell are you to imply that Dobiegurl should not have docked her pup's tail.

For all you know she might want to show it sometime since it's a purebred.

Tail docking and abuse are MUCH different.

Maybe she wanted to compete in Shutzhund or another sport and wanted to have it's tail done for that?

At least she took it to the vet, its no like she took a butcher's knife and cut it off.

We did dock tails on 3-4 day old pups too. Even on those pups, they showed signs of pain (squealing, whimpering, squirming to get away).

Did you notice how they started screeming BEFORE you docked their tails? Right after they left mom in fact. The squirmed when they were held down BEFORE they docked their tails. Not to mention they quiet right down once they are back with mom.

[IliamnasQuest]

*chuckles* .. I just stated MY opinion, like others state their opinions. I'm guessing I hit some nerves (guilty feelings, perhaps?) by the reactions I'm seeing.

Did you notice how they started screeming BEFORE you docked their tails? Right after they left mom in fact. The squirmed when they were held down BEFORE they docked their tails. Not to mention they quiet right down once they are back with mom.

Nope, not at all. The puppies made a little noise and squirmed a tiny bit beforehand, but when that blade cut through the tail they SCREAMED and fought as well as they could for being 3-4 days old. And while they did quiet some, they continued to whimper even when back with their dam.

I helped with hundreds of tail dockings and NO one can tell me that those puppies don't feel pain - and pretty intense pain at that.

Melanie and the gang in Alaska

[Dobiegurl]

Who the hell are you to imply that Dobiegurl should not have docked her pup's tail.

For all you know she might want to show it sometime since it's a purebred.

Tail docking and abuse are MUCH different.

Maybe she wanted to compete in Shutzhund or another sport and wanted to have it's tail done for that?

At least she took it to the vet, its no like she took a butcher's knife and cut it off.

Thank you for standing up for me, I can't stand when peple judge me without knowing me. I have known people who take a rubberband and tie it really tightly around the dogs tail until it falls off. I am not talking about little 3 day old puppies I'm talkinig about puppies who are already months even years old. That is wrong and abusive, but having my dog's tail docked by a professional is not wrong.

[Dobiegurl]

*chuckles* .. I just stated MY opinion, like others state their opinions. I'm guessing I hit some nerves (guilty feelings, perhaps?) by the reactions I'm seeing.

As for you miss thing, I'm bout to go black on your trifling a**. I already said I don't feel guilty about anything. You can state your opinion but just because your a** doesn't believe in something doesn't give you the right to call me a bad person. I am so sick and tired of trifling heffas like you trying to judge me. Just because everything does not revolve around your little concepts of life doesn't mean there wrong. I don't know who the f*** you think you are but you sure as hell ain't God. Why do people judge when they know d*** well they ain't perfect? I did what I did and its over and I plan on docking and cropping all the Dobermans I get in the future. So find someone else to harass, b****, cause you ain't gonna change my opinion or make me feel guilty.
Reppin' the 313, holla at cha girl!!!

[JennSLK]

I'm guessing I hit some nerves (guilty feelings, perhaps?) by the reactions I'm seeing

What would I be guilty. Yes I was part of cutting the tail off of a little, cute puppy just so I coul show it.

Thats the breed standard. I am thinking of doing shutzhund and other sports with my dog as well as showing.

I am not guilty and I fully admit that I dock the tail of dobermans and will have docked dogs as long as I am in the breed.

Get off you high horse and come down to reality. I used to have respect for you but now I think you are nothing but an arogent bitch, who thinks she is better than everyone else because she "works in a vet's office" and doesnt condone tail docking, or ear croping.

Did you ever take your head out of your A** long enough to think maybe it was done for a reason?

[IliamnasQuest]

*ROTFL*

C'mon, girls, no need to get so upset! I have a right to say that I think docking a tail for vanity reasons is wrong. You don't HAVE to respond to my opinion, that's entirely YOUR choice. I didn't like docking tails on tiny puppies, although I could understand that a LOT more than cutting off the tail of an older puppy or an adult. And that's what this thread has been about - the original poster was upset because her stepmom wanted to chop the tail and ears of a older pup. You chose to defend those actions, and I chose to debate that.

I know that I'm not going to stop YOU from cutting off your dog's tail and ears .. that's what you want to do because you like the looks. I'm glad you don't think they should have fewer teeth or maybe tighter skin too. See, it COULD be worse!

As for you miss thing, I'm bout to go black on your trifling a**.

Wow, am I supposed to be scared or impressed? Sorry, going "gangsta" only makes you look bad - oh, and fake too .. *truly laughing here*

Just take my opinion as what it is - MY opinion. If it really doesn't matter to you, then ignore it! Geez. This IS just a chat forum. Get a grip and learn a little about life.

Melanie and the gang in Alaska
.. not overly concerned with gaining anyone's respect in here .. just going to tell it like I see it .. *L*

[corsomom]

wow Dobiegurl, talking like that only makes you look foolish.Everone is allowed their own opinions.

[Dobiegurl]

Wow, am I supposed to be scared or impressed? Sorry, going "gangsta" only makes you look bad - oh, and fake too .. *truly laughing here*

How am I fake? Thats how I am, I was just trying to be respectful on this forum until some stupid a** like you came along. I'm tired of being all nice, the real me is coming out, b****** so watch out. I don't know why I tried to be all nice cause it don't work. I've sugarcoated everything I've written on this forum but not anymore. Now I'm gonna tell it how it is, I'm tried of heffas like you trying to step up to me, I ain't having it.
So you trying to say everyone from Detroit is fake because of the way they talk? Go ahead and laugh, I don't give a f***. I really don't give a f*** what that makes me look like, cause I could really care less what you B****** think of me.

[Dobiegurl]

wow Dobiegurl, talking like that only makes you look foolish.Everone is allowed their own opinions.

What for being me? If everyone can have their own opinion why can't I say I thinks she's a trifling little heffa who's getting on my nerves. If she has a right to say whatever she wants then so can I. And if you guys have a problem with how I write, oh well get over it!!! I'm tired of trying to always please people. I'm gonna speak my mind so get used to it.

[silvermist]

Not really sure which side to take in regards cropping and docking dogs.

Over here in the UK the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeoons considers docking of dogs` tails to be an unjustified mutilation and unethical unless done for therapeutic or acceptable prophylactic reasons.

I came across the Council of Docked Breeds have produced a short video showing eight puppies of two days old being docked in the presence of their dam.

Link: http://www.cdb.org/video.htm

[Dobiegurl]

You know what gets to me is that you think you are so much better that ne because you dock the tails when the pups are 3 day old. Well, guess what? Docking is Docking and you are no better than me because no matter how you put it you're still taking the dogs tail off.

[emmapatches]

Very upsetting. If dogs were not meant to have tails - they would not be born with them.

[silvermist]

If dogs were not meant to have tails - they would not be born with them.

I couldn't agree more.

[Violet21]

I am sorry to hear that :(

when will stepmoms ever learn.. you would think she would want you to like her more lol.. i am going to be a stepmom soon i would never upset them like that..

poor girl!