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Khaelo
02-04-2006, 03:37 AM
Help! Milo, my family's two-year-old Australian Shepherd, wants everyone in the family to stay home at all times.

He barks at anything that arouses his suspicion that someone might be leaving. This includes: touching jackets, wearing jackets, touching or carrying purses, approaching the front door, picking up car keys, unplugging cell phones, announcing "Bye!," putting on high-heeled shoes, etc. When a family member is in the actual process of going out the door, Milo tries to herd them away. He often lunges and bites between barks. He takes "cheap shots," primarily aiming for pants, loose bits of clothing, and any object the person might be carrying. Purses and backpacks are a favorite target. He's clearly not going for the kill, so to speak, but he can do serious damage. :eek: Once the human has escaped, Milo goes to the window to bark until he sees the person get into their car. He used to go jump on Polo, the older Aussie, but Polo got wise to that pattern and is now nowhere in the vicinity when Milo goes nuts. Milo also used to destroy things when left alone, but he grew out of that. Once the person is out of sight, the tantrum is over. He returns to his normal self, plays with his toys, sits near Polo, seeks out humans still in the house, sleeps, and so on.

One thing that I have found effective is to praise him continually for being quiet ("quiet! good doggie! quiet! no bark! good doggie!", etc.) while I prepare to leave. However, I have to start praising before he even suspects that I'm leaving because once he starts barking, he doesn't stop. The routine is iffy because Milo stands there staring and quivering while I praise him. Sometimes, he starts to bark anyway. He always begins barking the instant the door shuts behind me. He's barely under control, and I have doubts as to how long that method will last.

He can also be distracted with another person willing to play, but that's not practical every time someone wants to leave.

For obvious reasons, the biting is our primary concern. However, the whole behavior complex needs to be addressed. The problem is, we don't know what's causing it. The family has been tossing around two theories:
1) Milo thinks he runs the place (dominant aggression).
2) Milo is excessively attached to pack members and has anxiety about being separated (fear aggression?).

I've looked around online, and Milo's behavior in general matches neither the profile for a dominant dog nor the profile for a fearful one. The one thing that's certain is that he is extremely people-oriented.
* He likes toys, but he lets people take them away even while he's using them. He only has chew toys and balls; we've never played tug-of-war with him.
* He allows Polo take his food and/or treats -- in fact, he manipulates Polo using his food -- and he lets humans to do so, too. He occasionally begs for food when he thinks the target is soft but goes away when no food is forthcoming.
* He lets people roll him over, cuddle him in awkward positions, hold various body parts (including paws and lips), and do basically anything. You can bug him when he's sleeping, you can bug him when he's awake...
* He is admittedly spoiled; he gets petting more or less on demand. When petting is denied to him, his first course of action is to pet himself on any convenient human body part. If that's taken away, he just lies down as close to the humans as possible.
* If you stare him in the eye, he looks away but wags his bobtail and edges closer for petting.
* He's friendly with strange humans. If they're willing to pet him, he sometimes rolls over for a tummy rub. He's particularly pliable with children.
* He's nervous with strange dogs. An English Springer Spaniel puppy visited our house this summer. The puppy was a quarter Milo's size and still managed to spook Milo and chase him around the kitchen. This was on Milo's own territory. When taken to the Ren Faire, he sniffed objects eagerly but hid behind his human when confronted with other dogs or strangers in groups.
* He doesn't like the vet as Polo does, but he's not overly fearful there. He's shy but doesn't threaten the vet at all.
* He mounts legs like crazy, which some websites said is an act of dominance. Sometimes he air-humps. :confused: He was neutered as early as recommended: four months, I believe, something like that.
* He barks at the telephone, timers, and whenever someone yells. Some websites indicate that this kind of barking can mean a fearful dog. ???
* He's not heavily trained. He knows "sit" and does so on command. He also knows "out" (of this forbidden room) and exits immediately. That's about it. We're teaching him "stretch," so he stretches as often as possible for praise, but he hasn't grasped the command yet.

The Alpha Boot Camp program is tempting, but we're not sure if Alpha Dog-ism is the problem. Once we figure out the root cause of this barking & biting routine, we can find a training program to make it stop!

Any ideas?

Rubylove
02-04-2006, 04:12 AM
Alpha dogism is most certainly the problem. Without any doubt and absolutely. Plus, because of his breed, he is much more of a herder, looker-afterer (!) than other breeds might be. Everything you describe is screaming `alpha dog!!' at me!

Get `The Dog Listener' by Jan Fenell. It's an amazing book and will change your life with your dog.

And also, Alpha Boot Camp training sounds like a fab idea - do you have any more information about that you can share?

Khaelo
02-05-2006, 04:30 PM
Here's a link to the Alpha Boot Camp article: Alpha Boot Camp (http://www.sonic.net/~cdlcruz/GPCC/library/alpha.htm). Google provides some others; the article is posted several places around the Internet.

Thanks for the informed-outsider opinion and book suggestion! Guess the coddling makes the dog feel like he's alpha?

Fuzz Puppy
02-05-2006, 04:59 PM
Milo thinks he's dominent,. so you can't leave since you don't have his permission, right? Do you control when you guys play amd when your dogs eat? That might help you gain status in the pack. Coddling shouldn't make him feel like he's alpha I don't think.

TheWonderPuppies
02-05-2006, 05:05 PM
Hmmmm have you tried the NILF system(nothing in life is free) this is were he has to sit for everything ex. food toys to go outside to be pet etc. try googling that and try it

Jynx
02-05-2006, 06:23 PM
I have aussies, as well as GSD's, and I don't see anyone asking how much exercise and what kind, Milo gets?

Aussies ARE big mouths, atleast most of them are, if you have a relatively quiet one, your kinda lucky *vbg*.

While I certainly agree with the other posters ideas and suggestions, it sounds like you have a "worry wort" on your hands AND since alot of aussies need a job, he's found himself one.

It sounds like you are placating him by your actions when you leave, you certainly don't need your dog's permission to leave your own house! LOL

My suggestions to add to the above are:...MORE EXERCISE, run him ragged, take him to obedience classes, when you leave your house, leave a radio on, give him something really yummy to chew on and walk out. If necessary, crate him when your gone, feed him in his crate, turn the radio on, throw him his "yummy chewy" and LEAVE.

This probably won't be solved overnite as now it's become a learned behavior for him, aussies are not stupid dogs, mine all know the minute I'm grabbing a coat, or leash, I'm leaving and someone is going with me. YET< I turn the radio on, grab something yummy and they either run for their crate or hit their "spot" in the house, me LEAVING is a "good thing" for them.

OK done rambling, good luck,,I feel your pain, nothing worse than a yappy aussie,
Diane

opokki
02-05-2006, 08:53 PM
I agree with considering an increase in exercise as part of your modification plan.
Focus on what you WANT the dog to do. Decide on an incompatible alternative behavior (teaching him "go to place" for example) and work consistantly on redirecting and heavily reinforcing him for that behavior. You can manage him with a baby gate, tether, crate or something in the meantime.

He mounts legs like crazy, which some websites said is an act of dominance. Sometimes he air-humps. He was neutered as early as recommended: four months, I believe, something like that.

Mounting can be about control/dominance but some dogs use it as an attention seeking behavior or even as a stress reliever. Air humping is more likely a displacement behavior do to stress or high arousal (non-sexual).

Rubylove
02-05-2006, 09:47 PM
Oh yeah - a tired dog is a happy dog, so they say.

He's definitely got a dominance behaviour problem, but increasing his exercise will help with his obedience because he'll be worn out!!

Coddling won't make him think he's alpha, but behaviours of his that you unintentionally reinforce (because you don't recognise what you're doing!) is what's making him think he's the boss. Seriously, get that book, it's a life-changer!

Khaelo
02-08-2006, 01:58 AM
Food and play are both under human control. Milo's dish stays in his box. Otherwise Polo, who is supposed to be on senior diet, will clean Milo's plate.

Exercise: He sleeps in his box at night and runs around the house all day. He keeps an eye on humans. He plays with Polo a lot -- he can make Polo run! Both dogs go into the fenced yard for bathroom trips which can last up to forty-five minutes in nice weather. People play with Milo inside with games like "Kick the Squeaky Toy Around the Kitchen" and "Make Milo Guess Whether You're Going Upstairs or Downstairs." (which involves Milo running up and down the stairs repeatedly, trying to anticipate where the human is going to stay). In summer, he plays ball and goes on long walks. But he has no regular exercise routine.

We got "lucky" with Polo -- he's a lazybones rather than a typically active Aussie, so he didn't act up too much. The result is that he's now overweight, and we're concerned about his health. :( We're trying to do better by Milo. The schedule is still pretty unorganized, though. We've certainly considered introducing a routine, but we hadn't connected it with Milo's "no leaving the house" policy.
While I certainly agree with the other posters ideas and suggestions, it sounds like you have a "worry wort" on your hands AND since alot of aussies need a job, he's found himself one.
They do entertain themselves if left to their own devices. Milo needs a hobby? ;) (by the way, GSD = German Shepherd?)

The thing with exercise is that, over the summer when we would take Milo on extended exercise trips (i.e. Ren Faire, ball in the park), he'd act tired by the end of the trip...but when we got him home, he'd resume trotting around the house, bugging Polo, barking at us, etc. He's a perpetual motion machine. Hence, we'd like a training program rather than just trying to run him ragged...we're not sure it can be done! :rolleyes:

Found Nothing In Life Is Free. This looks promising, too.

Rubylove: The Dog Listener, Jan Fennell, is available at the local public library. :) I'm picking it up tomorrow.

What I'm hearing is a need to make Milo work for his coddling, general training in obedience, and a lot of good specific hints. I'll keep you updated on how this goes. Thank you, all!