pedigree food

[josephine]

I'd like to ask for your opinion...From the moment i adopted prita i've been feeding her almost all the products of pedigree she loves the schmachos treats and the chucky(or whatever it's called over there(pal?)) She loves the canned rice with chicken and also the dental rask .
Do you know if the food they provide is good or not?
Anyone has tried this food with your pet?



ps: sorry for naming out a brand...i just want some help to find what's best for my dog

thanks in advance for any insight on this!

[joce]

It's the only brand all my dogs can eat! I know i've heard its not the best but they like it and are healthy on it. I know it doesn't have some of the bad things in it(they did a thing on the news a while back about the leftover drugs in the food slowly killing dogs when it builds up in there system-edit*which I just noticed is stickied at the top!). They all love the dentabones too. The food the vet always trys to get us to use gives the dobe runs:( That was not fun to deal with. I know there are some websites that list how good the foods are but most of the good ones are things i've never even seen in the store!

[Renee750il]

You really should read the article at the link TiggersDad supplied: http://www.api4animals.org/79.htm

No way would I ever feed my animals Pedigree. I'd rather feed them out of the garbage can than take a chance with Pedigree, Purina, Iams, Eukanuba, Science DIEt, ad nauseum. It would be safer and more nutritious in the long run.

[josephine]

You really should read the article at the link TiggersDad supplied: http://www.api4animals.org/79.htm

No way would I ever feed my animals Pedigree. I'd rather feed them out of the garbage can than take a chance with Pedigree, Purina, Iams, Eukanuba, Science DIEt, ad nauseum. It would be safer and more nutritious in the long run.

yikes :eek: ...that made me almost puke!
thanks for the article!gee and i thought pedigree was an innocent one .

[EliNHunter]

Pedigree? Your dog would be better off eating donuts and hot dogs..Pedigree is PURE junk.

Serena, do you have anything proactive to add? I am somewhat new to the forum but find your posts to be very opinionated and pointed. If you have such a problem with Pedigree, perhaps you could give reason why? I would love to hear it since I give one of my dogs Pedigree and he's eaten that for 12 years.

[Renee750il]

EliNHunter, being new, you've probably missed the numerous and lengthy discussions posted here on dog food and nutrition - or lack thereof.

The reason our answers on this subject tend to be rather terse and to the point is that the information is already here to be read - several times over.

Check the link above that TiggersDad originally posted in another of these threads. You'll find it most enlightening - and disgusting. Another reference I give is www.greatdanelady.com . Linda Arndt has amassed years of superb information that she shares with dog owners.

Some dogs do survive on tripe like Pedigree, Iams, Science DIEt, Puriina products (and numerous others) for many years; it's more a testament to the canine abililty to survive than anything else.

Just compare it to a lifetime of consuming Twinkies and sodas vs. a balanced diet of foods untreated by chemicals, hormones and carcinogens. You might live a long time on that kind of diet, but your quality of life will suffer and you're at a very increased risk for all sorts of chronic health issues.

Charley initially thought I was nuts, insisting on feeding our dogs the Innova feed instead of the $15.00 a bag Purina from the grocery store. Now he looks at them and points out how healthy they are, how good they look, the energy they have, how HIS (??) dogs are so far superior to other dogs - and tells people they really should look into this food! :rolleyes:

[josephine]

I stopped feeding pedigree for the last few days i just cook for her...but really this is not going to work when school starts,i won't have the time to cook for her.So the last few days i went to almost all the pet shops and supermarkets that exist close to my house and far from my house...i spent hours to look for a good brand of dog food...and guess with what i came up?nothing...just pedigree, friskies and purina. :(
I really don't know what to do...Maybe it will be better to feed her what i make for myself.
I asked the vet if i can feed my dog,the stuff i eat and said no if i don't want her to smell bad since most of the time she's in the house(also her poo will be too smelly).Also that some stuff that i eat can poison her example : onions,garlic etc

She told me also that the dog takes everything it needs from the dry food...so i could feed her only that...I find it cruel though to feed her only that...

Still trying to find a result on this...I live in Greece where there are just limited dog food...i couldn't find the innova thing i've read about or Wellness etc...

:(

[Nitewarrior]

So I am lost. What is the best dog food avaialable we use Beneful now but would like to get her switched

[EliNHunter]

I sincerely hope you take the time to further educate yourself on pet nutrition. There is a TON of information available.

There is NO excuse for pet owners to lack nutritional knowledge today...Period.

Ok, so once again I get your harsh criticism. But I'll bite. Just where do I find the wealth of info to keep my dogs the healthiest they can be? I have a Lab on Science Diet and he is VERY healthy with a GREAT coat. Then I have a golden who's been on Pedigree his entire life and am afraid to switch diets on him. I grew up with dogs living on nothing but Purina dog chow and they all lived to be 15 or so. What am I supposed to do? Feed them live rabbits and chickens??

[EliNHunter]

Feeding live rabbits and chickens? Why do you ask about that. Is researching proper nutrition such a difficult and tedious step for you that you would rather set your dogs loose to hunt their own food rather than taking responsibility for their health and learning on the subject. Shame on you.

Ummm... I think that was a joke. Sorry you didn't get it, Serena. Like I would set my dogs free to fend for themselves. I guess I don't see what the big deal is when my dogs (probably 20 over my lifetime so far) have lived long, healthy lives on store-bought kibble. Yes, I've done my research, thank you very much, and I see as much bad press as good press. If you have some brand new research that has just come to light about what we should feed our dogs and why, I'd love to see it...

[EliNHunter]

You've done your research? BULL CRAP

If you have done your research you would not be feeding your dogs that junk.

Take your own time and educate yourself I will NOT waste MY time helping YOU. I have nothing to prove to YOU. The information is readily available. It is NOT new information.

It is information that has alway been there. The canine digestive system did NOT undergo a sudden change.

Evolution does NOT work that way. Remember when I told you to study canine physiology? Do that.

I'm not impressed with you having had twenty dogs over your lifetime.

All that tells me is that after twenty dogs you still have not taken it upon yourself to be fully responsible for their well being.

Well, guess what... you won't have to worry about it since I won't be posting here any longer. Ever since my first post about my lab pottying in the bathtub when he was SO SMART being right out of the shelter and having potty problems and he went in the bathtub (instead of all over my carpeted house), and you saying he was BAD and I was BAD for having such a dog. Well, you turned me off at my very first post. And this is my last. You need to get a better attitude. I just wonder how many people you've fended off from Chazhound... what's your problem, anyway? Why such a chip on your shoulder? The whole "I'm not impressed with you having had twenty dogs over your lifetime"... who the hell you think you are? I feel sorry for you... but more importantly, I feel VERY sorry for any 4-leggers you have under your care. See you... MUCH later. As in NEVER.

[candy722]

I know there's a few dog food that aren't great that people do feed their dogs that but they do really live up pretty long. I didn't know before that is why i used to feed my previous dog Pedigree but I stopped. Now I feed my TOki Nutro. Just like hot dogs aren't really good for us but we still eat it.
I really think it also depends on the dogs diet. Just like some of us can eat anything but some people will get allergic or get sick.

[josephine]

Both of you,chill out sheesh!
Serena,people don't research for various of reasons.We don't even search on what we are eatting.
I've had dogs for my whole life,none of them got any illnesses.Now you might ask why i posted this asking about pedigree...Because for the first time in my whole life i've searched in the net about dogs,about training then how much food should i give to little dogs since i've never had a small dog.
You might think that i'm just an ignorant...I'm not the only one( and that goes for what i eat too,as a lot of people eat what it's being advertised,am i wrong?I don't think so.
So when i take my pet to the vet,i think that she/he will know what's good for my pet or not...If this isn't true then why taking the pet to the vet in the first place for vaccinations,diets etc?
Why you are accusing someone as a lousy pet owner?Just because you consider yourself a GREAT pet owner?You are not in the position to say that someone is a lousy pet owner,when you don't know anything about that person and how he treats his/her pets.Some people spend a lot of money everyday to try and give lots of stuff to their pets just to see their pets happier...I'm one of them(college student without work).I don't get that many stuff for myself.

Anyway,I thought that the forum is here for everyone to learn things and to share what people know.
But i guess you are here to show what a GREAT owner you are...at least that's what i see in your posts.It's not a competition of who's the good owner or not...am i wrong?If so tell me and i'll find another place.


Peace...


to moderators...I didn't post this to end up in a flamewar...If it's possible to just lock it please do.

[chazhound]

There are now 2800 registered members on Chazhound. We will NEVER all agree on everything. Let's discuss the issue at hand and not attack each other. That does no good at all and takes away from the discussion. Anytime you post on a public forum, there is a chance you may not like the response. Let's work together to help each other for the good of dogkind.

Dog Food is a multi-billion dollar industry and there will no doubt be profit before goodwill with some companies. On the other hand, self prepared foods can be bad too if done by one who doesn't understand the needs of a dog for proper nurition.

It is big enough and controversal enough to deserve it's own forum for discussion. I will be adding one soon.

Thanks much for your advance cooperation :)
Chazhound

P.S.- I reopened the thread for responses...

[Saje]

EliNHunter, you don't have to leave. Not everyone is going to be critical of you and you could choose to ignore the offensive posts.

You're sure right to say that there is just as must research on both ends of the argument. That goes for every issue in the world I think. All we can do, is read the most we can about something, from a variety of sources, and come to our own conclusions. I'm not speaking just about food issues.

I hope that you still post occassionally. Maybe not on this thread. :)

[Renee750il]

Good going, Chaz.

What's not often realized (as I've had to explain to Charley a few times) is that dog food just "ain't necessarily what it used to be." Today, the cheapest ingredients are the ones with the most additives. Years ago that wasn't so; the more expensive food processing had more "modern" improvements and were considered preferrentially over unadulterated foods. Another thing that has changed is farming. The old farmer didn't pump his animals full of hormones, antibiotics and chemicals and neither did the feedlots, so the by-products used in pet foods were not adulterated with all of the poisons now found in concentration. We can thank "modern" corporate farming for that "improvment(?)."

Do some dogs live long and seemingly healthy lives on these awful products? Sure. Some people smoke cigarettes and live into their nineties in relative health. Does that mean cigarettes aren't horrible poison? Of course not. It's just the luck of the draw, if you will. And the same goes for dog food, or anything else for that matter.

We just try to do our best for our companions. You don't want to look back one day and have to think about how you really could have done something to avert a chronic illness or an early death. Some situations can't be changed, but some can. I daresay most of us have seen the prayer, "grant me the strength to change that which I can, accept that which I cannot, and the grace to know the difference."

[josephine]

First Josephine YOU are doing great by researching into what to feed that is what responsible pet owners do.

Thank you!I search because i can.

People rely on their vet's guidance for nutrition because they think vets are educated in this field, but 9/10 vets do NOT know nutrition. It is not an important part of their training. Vets are provided with a two week nutritional course on nutrition.


The majority of vets do not expand their knowledge on this subject.

That is a FACT.

You see where i live this is not true.
And you are saying that this is a fact?well it's not.
This is not a fully US forum right?or is it?

I'm saying this person is a lousy pet owner because they don't want to learn how to make better informed decisions for their pets. They are so stuck in the mind frame that since their dogs did well on crap food for years then crap food is alright to feed.

You see this is quite similar to what we eat...people can eat donuts and other things that some people can end up dying after a while...am i wrong?
Someone can eat a huge bowl of strawberries and after a while feeling ok,another person might eat that and end up in hospital.
This can happen to all the pets as well.Also mixed-breeds are not so sensitive as pure breed dogs.

Being a good pet owner is not about spending tons of money on fun stuff for your pets, all the luxuries in the world does NOT make a good pet owner. Luxuries given to our pets for their enjoyment is done because it makes our pets happy but thats not what being a good pet owner is all about.

Being a good pet owner is about responsibility...it's about taking responsibility for the animal you get every single day, in every single aspect.

Not really, to have a pet(companion) it surely needs a lot of money,time and love


So you are saying that those people that don't know about the nutricients,don't even know how to read or they just don't have the internet to search things that they are not good owners?


I'm on this forum for the animals and animals only. Not to show everyone how "great" of a pet owner I'am. First I would never call myself a "great" pet owner. I'am NOT modest in regards to how my animals are cared for and the time I have taken to go beyond being a "great" pet owner". I'am VERY proud of this.


I'am not a "softie" I will not sugar coat anything I say. I'am NOT a nice person when it comes to people. A harsh tone from someone will result in a harsher one for me and I'm much MORE adept at it than anyone could imagine.

Nobody here has seen me really tell someone off.


It's not about being a bad or a good person,it's about if you have respect for others or not.
Solve what problems you have with people and not getting so harse with people that just ask for advise.

I'm direct, to the point, and I take the responsibility of having a pet VERY seriously. I will not applaud anyone given less than 110% commitment to their pets and being the best owner possible.

If someone shows me they are making poor decisions in regards to their animals and they refuse to learn I will call them out on it. I will tell them what they are doing wrong.

I do NOT care about my popularity. I do NOT care about being liked nor do I care if everyone calls me every single name in the book.

I'm here because I like animals NOT because I'm a people person.

Now you requested this thread locked.

Consider it done.



I respect others for their opinions.I listen to them,search about what they say and if i think that what they say is right,then i go on.

Behind a screen and without knowing what a person does for his/her pet sure i can also call someone a lousy pet owner that doesn't care for the pet he/she has.

[EliNHunter]

EliNHunter, you don't have to leave. Not everyone is going to be critical of you and you could choose to ignore the offensive posts.

You're sure right to say that there is just as must research on both ends of the argument. That goes for every issue in the world I think. All we can do, is read the most we can about something, from a variety of sources, and come to our own conclusions. I'm not speaking just about food issues.

I hope that you still post occassionally. Maybe not on this thread. :)

Hi, Saje. Thanks for you kind words. I've still been lurking but afraid to post. Perhaps there's an "ignore button" I should try and find? You're right... I won't be posting -- on this thread ;) . I'll post on another because I sure do have some issues going on with my babies right now. More later... and thanks again.

[EliNHunter]

First Josephine YOU are doing great by researching into what to feed that is what responsible pet owners do.

Thank you!I search because i can.

People rely on their vet's guidance for nutrition because they think vets are educated in this field, but 9/10 vets do NOT know nutrition. It is not an important part of their training. Vets are provided with a two week nutritional course on nutrition.


The majority of vets do not expand their knowledge on this subject.

That is a FACT.

All I can say is, Amen :cool:

Amen :cool:

You see where i live this is not true.
And you are saying that this is a fact?well it's not.
This is not a fully US forum right?or is it?

I'm saying this person is a lousy pet owner because they don't want to learn how to make better informed decisions for their pets. They are so stuck in the mind frame that since their dogs did well on crap food for years then crap food is alright to feed.

You see this is quite similar to what we eat...people can eat donuts and other things that some people can end up dying after a while...am i wrong?
Someone can eat a huge bowl of strawberries and after a while feeling ok,another person might eat that and end up in hospital.
This can happen to all the pets as well.Also mixed-breeds are not so sensitive as pure breed dogs.

Being a good pet owner is not about spending tons of money on fun stuff for your pets, all the luxuries in the world does NOT make a good pet owner. Luxuries given to our pets for their enjoyment is done because it makes our pets happy but thats not what being a good pet owner is all about.

Being a good pet owner is about responsibility...it's about taking responsibility for the animal you get every single day, in every single aspect.

Not really, to have a pet(companion) it surely needs a lot of money,time and love


So you are saying that those people that don't know about the nutricients,don't even know how to read or they just don't have the internet to search things that they are not good owners?


I'm on this forum for the animals and animals only. Not to show everyone how "great" of a pet owner I'am. First I would never call myself a "great" pet owner. I'am NOT modest in regards to how my animals are cared for and the time I have taken to go beyond being a "great" pet owner". I'am VERY proud of this.


I'am not a "softie" I will not sugar coat anything I say. I'am NOT a nice person when it comes to people. A harsh tone from someone will result in a harsher one for me and I'm much MORE adept at it than anyone could imagine.

Nobody here has seen me really tell someone off.


It's not about being a bad or a good person,it's about if you have respect for others or not.
Solve what problems you have with people and not getting so harse with people that just ask for advise.

I'm direct, to the point, and I take the responsibility of having a pet VERY seriously. I will not applaud anyone given less than 110% commitment to their pets and being the best owner possible.

If someone shows me they are making poor decisions in regards to their animals and they refuse to learn I will call them out on it. I will tell them what they are doing wrong.

I do NOT care about my popularity. I do NOT care about being liked nor do I care if everyone calls me every single name in the book.

I'm here because I like animals NOT because I'm a people person.

Now you requested this thread locked.

Consider it done.



I respect others for their opinions.I listen to them,search about what they say and if i think that what they say is right,then i go on.

Behind a screen and without knowing what a person does for his/her pet sure i can also call someone a lousy pet owner that doesn't care for the pet he/she has.

Josephine, all I can say is "Amen" :cool:

[chazhound]

Thanks for staying ElitNHunter,
I understand as I fed Chazhound Pedigree for 11 years and thought I was doing great. I started the Sheltie on the same after puppy chow, and he started having terrible reactions. That is when I discovered more about dog food. They now get Flint River and all the problems went away.. so did all the medications :)

Note: Should you ever want to ignore a member, just click on the User CP link on the top blue bar, and look on the left side at the bottom for the the Buddy / Ignore link. Then follow the easy instructions.

Chazhound

[EliNHunter]

Thanks for staying ElitNHunter,
I understand as I fed Chazhound Pedigree for 11 years and thought I was doing great. I started the Sheltie on the same after puppy chow, and he started having terrible reactions. That is when I discovered more about dog food. They now get Flint River and all the problems went away.. so did all the medications :)

Note: Should you ever want to ignore a member, just click on the User CP link on the top blue bar, and look on the left side at the bottom for the the Buddy / Ignore link. Then follow the easy instructions.

Chazhound

Thank you, Chazhound. I said I wouldn't post here again, but now that I know how the "ignore button" works, I will! Because I would like to come here to learn more (and not be lashed at). I'm interested in Flint River and what problems you had. My golden had suffered from allergies early in life, and I took him to a dermatologist who determined it was air born, not food born. But after a couple of years of daily shots and getting him on flea preventative, I weaned him off the shots and found it really due to the fleas. This was in the early '90's when flea preventative was just coming out. His skin has been great for the last 8-10 years. But he also has epilepsy -- very mild, but has been on phenobarbitol for most of his adult life. He hasn't had a seizure in about a year now. But he was just diagnosed with Lymphoma (2 days ago and my heart is broken). Taking him in for a biopsy and lung xray Tuesday to see what protocol we should follow. He still feels really good -- he's such a happy boy -- but he's a golden, you know. They mask their feelings, too. To top it off, I just had to take my yella fella (lab) to the emergency vet today because of a horrific cough. I thought he might have inhaled a part of a rawhide into his lungs or have something lodged in his throat. They xrayed him and found nothing and thinks he might have just "caught something". Gave me Etoldolac and Hydrocodone. Said it should start clearing up in a couple of days. Wonder if I should have a second opinion? Anyway, thanks for your kind words...

[chazhound]

Hi EliNHunter,
Sorry to hear the bad news :(
I sure hope for a good outcome at the vet's office for your golden.

They said my Sheltie had alergies and was epilectic (sp). They had him drugged out all the time and he would go thru episodes about once a month at times. Really bad and scary stuff. Then I started asking some of the dog peeps we knew from Chazhound and they pointed us to the right places to research.

We were astonished at how he has no problems now since we stopped feeding him commerical mainline food. But this is really the first dog I have ever had this kind of experience with. Most of my 15 or so dogs in life had purina chow and then pedigree all their lives mixed with lots of treats and whatever they found in the neighborhood.

Let us know how it goes at the vet.
Chazhound

[Saje]

*sigh* talk about drama

[EliNHunter]

*sigh* talk about drama

I've got more than just two dogs... these just happen to be the ones that have an issue right now. So, oh hateful one, you are also officially on IGNORE...

[Saje]

Are you calling me hateful? Because I think you misunderstood my comment if you are.

[candy722]

You should stay and learn stuff. You don't have to agree with everything we say but you can read this forum for advice or opinions. We all love our dogs to death and we don't mean any harm for our dogs. As for food, feed what your dog is comfortable. You should switch food to see what gives your dog a better result. If you stick with the same food your dog may get sick of the same taste. Just like us, we can't eat the same thing everyday right? hehe
Let's all get along now and respect everyone opinion since we all think very differently.
Hey guys, I remember Pedigree used to be in alot of TV ads 4-5 years ago. I fed my miniature schnauzer Pediagree because it was always playing on TV and I thought it had to be good food. But eventually stopped because he got sick of the taste and wanted HUMAN food. That is a big NONO. I wonder if Pedigree is doing bad because I don't ever see them on TV no more.

[josephine]

I've got more than just two dogs... these just happen to be the ones that have an issue right now. So, oh hateful one, you are also officially on IGNORE...

I don't think that saje was talking about you

[EliNHunter]

Are you calling me hateful? Because I think you misunderstood my comment if you are.

Sorry Saje... my bad. I hadn't put you on ignore, anyway. Just "another" person ;-)

I do have some research to do and would like to stay on the site. Once again, sorry for my misjudgement.

[bubbatd]

What DO you feed your dogs ???? :rolleyes:

[bubbatd]

A "raw diet" of what ?? Surely you must add suppliments and some "crunch" to help their teeth. My dogs like some raw veggies but not all. Why not share.? Isn't this is what this forum is about: educated pet owners helping others ? (Or in your case, educating unfortunate dumb pet owners like most of us compared to you ) God bless those under your household >

[Renee750il]

Bubbatd, I don't do the BARF diet (completely impractical for me, my beasts, and the standard issue 24-hour day), but here are some good links:

http://www.greatdanelady.com/articles/feeding_a_raw_diet_htm.htm
http://www.greatdanelady.com/articles/i_want_to_feed_raw_and_do_it_right_htm.htm
http://www.greatdanelady.com/articles/raw_diet_options.htm

[bubbatd]

I have given my dogs the same brand of dog food for 40 years... I do add vegies and Omega oils depending on any problems. My vets have always said ..." if it ain't broke, don't fix it " I was just just questioning as it seems that unless we follow other's recommended diets we are feeding poison and are bad owners. My dogs always loved grapes and raisons ....glad I was clued into that no -no !!!

[Renee750il]

The problem, like I've finally got my Charley to acknowledge, is the production of food has changed significantly over the years - much of it just in the last two decades. We now inject our food supply with all sorts of hormones, chemicals and other toxins to make it grow bigger quicker cheaper. We stuff our feed animals full of unnecessary - and harmful - antibiotics. You wouldn't believe what the feed lots WANT us to do with our cattle! (We don't). What the animal food manufacturers are using is the waste from many different industries as well, not just food production. And how about the traces of the drugs used to euthanize pet species found in many commonly fed dog foods? Our animals are developing all sorts of skin problems, cancers and other chronic conditions that are not all the result of poor breeding - many more are now the result of poor feeding. And the conditions some of these "pet companies" keep their lab animals in and the treatment they receive are unconscionable.

As for things like grapes and raisins, well, it's going to depend on the quantity and the size of the dog. My Shiva ate an entire (stolen) bag of expensive, gourmet raisins I was planning on using in a dish for Charley (he still doesn't know about that little transgression and we're not telling him either! ;) ). She's none the worse for wear. She also ate an entire bag of Oreos. Of course, I never find the remains until it's much too late to worry about it. :rolleyes:

By the way, if you're interested, there's a thread here - it may even be sticky - with an article about what it is that's toxic in raisins and grapes.

[Saje]

That's so true Renee, I've seen you point it out a lot, about the way our food has changed. It's also true if you think about how OUR food has changed. I guess in a sense it's there food too. With genetically-modified ingredients, pesticides, herbicides... And the WAY we eat! Dont' get me started. There are some people that NEVER eat food that isn't processed. No wonder we're a bunch of sickies.

[bubbatd]

Thank you, Serena.

[bubbatd]

Obviously your having issues (what a shock) on properly using the ingonre button. If you had simple knoweldge on how to execute this simple feature you would not even be aware of my response.

Sitting there going "Lalala I can' hear Serena does not count, and if your going to say you put me on ignore than have the balls to say so.

Truth be told I would have you on ingore but I'm waiting for you to make the slightest screw up so I can ban your account. Unfortunately as much as you irk me and as stupid as I think you are I still have to moderate your posts.

I do hope those poor dogs in your care are not needless suffering. It's a shame that the only time better foods are coinsidered is if our dogs are ill.

OH so SENSITIVE one...seriously you may want to look into mood stabilizers for yourself.

Lithium would be a great one that would help you content with those manic highs and lows; bipolar disoreder should not be taken lightly?

You obviously didn't see that ElinHunter was not responding to you. ???

[frenchfries]

aren't you all digressing a bit here?

[Saje]

Frenchfries, this thread probably doesn't make a lot of sense to you. It got out of control and quite a few posts have been deleted. If you want to bring the topic up again you could start a new thread.

We do tend to difress a lot though. A chatty bunch we can be. :)

[Love4Pits]

You really should read the article at the link TiggersDad supplied: http://www.api4animals.org/79.htm

No way would I ever feed my animals Pedigree. I'd rather feed them out of the garbage can than take a chance with Pedigree, Purina, Iams, Eukanuba, Science DIEt, ad nauseum. It would be safer and more nutritious in the long run.

Thats why i make my dogs own food then I have no question about the quality my dogs are getting.

[Saje]

Do you feed your dogs organic meat? Just curious - not trying to start anything. I always worry about the amount of growth hormones, pesticides... in meat. Either way I still think it's better than feeding junk dog food.

[Love4Pits]

Yes I do feed my dogs organic meat most of which i get from family friends. It costs alot of money but I'd rather they eat the best they possibly can. No cows that eat cows in my dogs dishes lol.

Oh no i know you would'nt try and start anything and neither would I. Your to nice to fight with lol.

[Saje]

:) Sometimes you can get a good deal if you have a friend that has an organic farm. My friend had an uncle who would give (sell at cost) her almost a whole cow each year I think. It was all organic meat and she never had to buy anythng else. You'd need a lot for dogs though!

[Love4Pits]

lol yeah my dogs eat so much better then i do.