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iluvdogs
12-13-2005, 11:13 PM
Hello everyone, I am knew and I am 20 :) ..We had 2 dogs already, and we wanted to get a small little dog, so we went and got a Malti poo. Well I was reading up on the net and people were saying stuff as to how it was mean to want a Malti poo because your breading X's or something? Does anyone know? We just got him about 2 weeks ago, and hes really cute!..lol Just not to smart on learning to pee outside, as he was raised outside :( and its WINTER and snow here..The breeder was not a very good one, she had about 6 dogs locked in a pen with the puppies, and the puppy was dirty. I'm glad we got him we paid 200.00 for him, not sure if hes a purebreed though?. She called herself a breeder though?

Saje
12-13-2005, 11:27 PM
Ok she would be a backyard breeder (BYB). A backyard breeder (and puppymills) are places that breed animals only for money. A quality, reputable breeder will not make much (if any) money on their pups. They will spend too much money and time on vet care, food, socialization... A reputable breeder breeds only to improve the breed that they love. Malti-poos are not a breed. They are a mutt. A cross between a maltese and poodles. That's not a breed. It's a trend. Nothing more.

It's not a good idea to pay for a dog like that because they are encouraged to breed more pups and have them in bad conditions like you described. Dogs from bybers and puppymills often have disposition problems and health problems from not being well bred or handled well as a pup.

HOWEVER that's not to say that there is anything wrong with your dog. You have a dog that you love and you are happy with. You may have problems in the future and you may not. The best thing to do is educate yourself as much as possible and just keep an eye on your pup.

How old is he?

Gempress
12-13-2005, 11:27 PM
No, there is no way your pup is a purebred. There's no such thing as a purebred Maltipoo, Cockerpoo, Puggle, etc. They are all mutts....crossbreed dogs. Most people on the forum don't like breeders of these animals. There are tons of mutts in the shelters in desperate need of a home. Why is a "Chi-poo" from a breeder over $500, but a "chihuahua/poodle" mix in a shelter is only $40? It's moneymaking, plain and simple.

From what you described, that woman was NOT a good breeder. No breeder would keep dogs in such conditions. She's in it for the money, plain and simple. A good breeder also gives health checks on all their breeding animals, and usually gives a guarantee of health for the life of the dog.

I'm sure you will take good care of your pup, and that he's adorable. But in the future, I would avoid those kinds of breeders and "fad" breeds.

Zoom
12-13-2005, 11:29 PM
I'm sure he's cute, but no, he's not a purebred. He's a mix of a Maltese and a poodle. The "breeder" you got him from is what's known as a Back Yard Breeder or "BYB" for short. In general, those people have little to no knowledge about what they're doing and only have puppies for one of two reasons. 1)it was an accident or 2) they're in it for the money. Any good, responsible, contientious breeder knows that you can't make money off of breeding dogs, because the costs of making sure they are producing a sound, healthy litter are just too darn high.

So, enjoy your puppy, but know that you might have a lot of vet bills in your future. Also in the future, if you want a dog and don't plan on showing it, go look at the shelters and rescue organizations instead. There are literally thousands of puppies out there just like yours that are on the verge of being put to sleep because no one wants them. It's good you got yours out of a bad situation though.

We're more than happy to hear stories, see pictures and answers questions! Welcome to the forum!

bubbatd
12-14-2005, 12:03 AM
I'm glad you joined Chaz, and hope that we can help you in the future, Yes, you have a loving pup from 2 breeds of dogs. Your paying $200 for a mutt is pretty pricey , but how can you put a price on love ?? I'm sorry he got a bad start from the BYB , but I'm sure you'll make up for it. There's no excuse for a dirty puppy... I doubt if there was any socialization. You may have the best of both breeds, or the worse. Please post the age and anything else you need help with . Do you have a good puppy book?

iluvdogs
12-14-2005, 01:08 AM
He was born Aug 28 so we got him at 3 Months old. I have pictures of him, I just dont know how to put them on?. I didnt know they were just "Mutts"..lol We have 2 other days that are also Mutts..lol..When we got the puppy, the next day we took him to get a Hair cut!, as it was some what matted and pretty long, but so far he loves it here and he also loves our other dogs, they play alll the time. :)

iluvdogs
12-14-2005, 01:11 AM
I put it in my profile..Is this how I post a picture?..I know he has a old looking face :p ..But hes cute!..lol

Fran27
12-14-2005, 10:15 AM
Did you take him to the vet? If not, you should, I doubt those breeders even bothered getting him the minimum vaccinations.

Beauceron
12-14-2005, 06:17 PM
I'm sure you have a wonderful dog, however he's just a garden variety mutt, the pounds and shelters are full of them...

and it sounds like he came from a Puppy mill.

gaddylovesdogs
12-14-2005, 07:33 PM
I agree with everyone else. He is a cutie though and I'm sure you love him and he loves you. Just something I feel I have to add - I wouldn't call him a "maltipoo" (like if someone say "Oh he's so cute? What breed is he?") because most people will think "Okay a 'maltipoo'" and go to some idiot to get a dog rather than think "A poodle/maltese cross" and go to a shelter to get a dog.

bubbatd
12-15-2005, 01:57 AM
I agree.. since he's not a breed, just tell them he's a loving mix....if they ask what... say his Mom was a ? and his dad was a ? .... and add that you love him to dearh !

Ash47
12-15-2005, 09:51 AM
Good idea gaddy and Grammy! Don't wanna help aid the problem of people thinking these are true breeds.

Madaline
12-17-2005, 10:22 PM
I got a maltipoo a couple of months ago, she is the most wonderful dog I have every had. I already have a 12 year old minature poodle and was planning on getting another one but was unable to find one, and talked to a breeder and she said there was not alot around right now as they were having alot of trouble with toys and minis with leg problems. So I decided against getting one and got a maltipoo instead, my vet said she is a wonderful dog and very layed back and not so hyper as the poodle as mixed breeds make wonderful pets and usually dont have as many health problems as the purebreed dogs. So enjoy your maltipoo I payed $550.00 Canadian for mine but she was worth every penny, dogs here are very expensive, mutts and purebreed, a minature poodle is $1,000.00 so I guess I got off with half price.

bubbatd
12-17-2005, 11:09 PM
I feel you pay for careful breeding,( all tested ), great socialization, loving care , good health care etc.... for these, I don't find $500 too high. It keeps away the run-of-the-mills who plan to pay $50 to $100. As long as they didn't advertise them as a rare " breed", enjoy you great mutt !

panzer426
12-17-2005, 11:18 PM
they are NOT a purebred, no such thing as a purebred malit poo..as was said earlier they are just a mixed breed, not a breed. I am sorry you paid $200 for him, but glad he has a good home. as for posting pictures...go to www.photobucket.com and set up an account. then after you submit photos to your account (a free account) you can post pictures here. larger photos without having to change your avatar each time.
take your dog to the vet if you have not already. if he has not yet had his shots (ask the breeder/puppy mill/back yard breeder for proof of shots) get them done right away or you could very easily lose him to some diseases wich cannot be cured.
I agree with the others, just call him a mix and say he is whatever with whatever. by the way, which dog in your avatar is supposed to be a malti poo? the black and tan looks like a german shepherd mix, the tan one looks like...lab mix? its a tiny pic so I might be proven wrong when you post a larger one but I dont see poodle, deffinetly dont see maltese.

Saje
12-17-2005, 11:26 PM
I got a maltipoo a couple of months ago, she is the most wonderful dog I have every had. I already have a 12 year old minature poodle and was planning on getting another one but was unable to find one, and talked to a breeder and she said there was not alot around right now as they were having alot of trouble with toys and minis with leg problems. So I decided against getting one and got a maltipoo instead, my vet said she is a wonderful dog and very layed back and not so hyper as the poodle as mixed breeds make wonderful pets and usually dont have as many health problems as the purebreed dogs. So enjoy your maltipoo I payed $550.00 Canadian for mine but she was worth every penny, dogs here are very expensive, mutts and purebreed, a minature poodle is $1,000.00 so I guess I got off with half price.

My Canadian mutts only cost between $40-$120.

panzer426
12-17-2005, 11:32 PM
my mixed breed was $18. my purebred was over a grand but not for a pet quality, he has working wuality temperament. so I paid for that quality. if I had wanted a purebred pet I could have paid $500 or less.

Ash47
12-18-2005, 01:23 AM
Both my American mutts were free! :D

Juicy
12-18-2005, 03:47 PM
My American rat terrier was free, my american bichon frise/beagle mutt was $90.

Madaline
12-19-2005, 12:58 PM
Well I dont know about down in the states but here in BC Canada, mutts as you so like to call them, we refer to them as Hybrid dogs are going for a pretty penny, they seem to be the thing to have right now that is why they can sell them for the amount they do, Designer dogs, mostly crossed with poodles. I wasnt going to get one as I said before, I wanted a purebreed poodle, but none were available so I got my little maltipoo, she is fabulous, so easy and cute as a button. They can charge the amount they do as they are in such high demand as they seem to be free from all the problems that purebreed dogs are having lately, I dont think you can get a small dog for under $300.00 here, mostly they range from $400. to $1,000. You can still get some large mutts for real cheap as they are not in so high demand as the little dogs.

sparks19
12-19-2005, 01:58 PM
Well I dont know about down in the states but here in BC Canada, mutts as you so like to call them, we refer to them as Hybrid dogs are going for a pretty penny, they seem to be the thing to have right now that is why they can sell them for the amount they do, Designer dogs, mostly crossed with poodles. I wasnt going to get one as I said before, I wanted a purebreed poodle, but none were available so I got my little maltipoo, she is fabulous, so easy and cute as a button. They can charge the amount they do as they are in such high demand as they seem to be free from all the problems that purebreed dogs are having lately, I dont think you can get a small dog for under $300.00 here, mostly they range from $400. to $1,000. You can still get some large mutts for real cheap as they are not in so high demand as the little dogs.


HAHAHAHAHAHA
you are joking right?

Right?

free from all the problems purebreds are having? such as what? Please fill me in on what your malti poo doesn't have that purebred maltese and purebred poodles do.

they charge the price they do because people who don't research before buying will pay that price because of some string of BULL the "breeder" feeds them. Do you know why pure bred dogs from GOOD breeders are so expensive and may not go as quickly as your "designer dogs for the truly ignorant" because that money goes towards the cost of breeding good pups. It goes to the cost of all the testing that should be done and other such medical needs. What they sell the pups for is often not even enough to cover but a portion of the bills. That money doesn't go into the breeders pocket so they can buy more bitches to impregnate so they can make more money.

You don't see a problem with buying a dog because "it's the thing ot have" at the time? Would you adopt an asian child because its the IN thing. Come on now

Juicy
12-19-2005, 02:34 PM
mutts as you so like to call them, we refer to them as Hybrid dogs


umm a wolf & a dog is a hybird, last time i check a toy poodle & maltese are the same species, so therefore a MUTT, MONGROL, MIX

a hybrid : Genetics. The offspring of genetically dissimilar parents or stock, especially the offspring produced by breeding plants or animals of different varieties, species, or races.

a toy poodle & a maltese are not genetically dissimilar


so what your saying i have a hybrid? ummm how about NO. pepe is a bichon frise x beagle, not no bicagle, or whatever fancy shamacy name people are giving dogs these names.

Saje
12-19-2005, 02:44 PM
Well I dont know about down in the states but here in BC Canada, mutts as you so like to call them, we refer to them as Hybrid dogs are going for a pretty penny, they seem to be the thing to have right now that is why they can sell them for the amount they do, Designer dogs, mostly crossed with poodles. I wasnt going to get one as I said before, I wanted a purebreed poodle, but none were available so I got my little maltipoo, she is fabulous, so easy and cute as a button. They can charge the amount they do as they are in such high demand as they seem to be free from all the problems that purebreed dogs are having lately, I dont think you can get a small dog for under $300.00 here, mostly they range from $400. to $1,000. You can still get some large mutts for real cheap as they are not in so high demand as the little dogs.

I lived in BC for a long time and it sounds like you didn't do your research. "we" in BC do not call mutts hybrids. Maybe the people who subscribe to the novelty dogs do but for the most part a mutt is a mutt. A hybrid? :/

How do you know they don't have the problems of purebreds? I doubt your dog had the genetic testing done that a reputable breeder will do.

I'm sure you love your dog and it's a great dog but there is a lot more to it than a novelty item.

Here's a list of small dogs that need to be adopted in the lower mainland http://search.petfinder.com/search/search.cgi#

first one on the list is a chihuahua from the burnaby SPCA. They usually charged $100-$150.

Maltese/Lhapso Apso in Kelowns.
http://search.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=5463837

I just searched all of petfinder for a 'maltipoo' but there is none because it isn't a breed.

Madaline
12-20-2005, 02:32 AM
Well actually I dont call them Hybrids and we dont call them that, On a TV show Regis & Kelly, they had a vet on and a whole bunch of dog crosses that were all the craze in the STATES, she is the one that says that is the name they are called when Regis said arnt they just mutts.

I dont care what anyone says I love my little girl, I have a purebreed poodle also and he is wonderful we have had him for 12 1/2 years I only payed $300. for him but that was along time ago, things have changed, I think it is up to the individual what they want in a dog and how much they want to pay, unfortunately that is what the price of a dog like mine is in the papers. I know you can get one from the pound but that is not what I was looking for and a majority of the dogs at the pound are big dogs, I dont set the price of the cross breeds that is what they are, I know five people in the last few months that have got Mutts as you like to call them and not one of them payed less that $400.00 for them, that is what they cost here.

Dogs are getting expensive just like anything else, I think what ever dog you have it is well worth it as they give you so much love and enjoyment they are worth every penny wheather a cross or a purebreed.

Ash47
12-20-2005, 03:20 AM
But every mutt you buy from a breeder just makes them think that it's ok to continue breeding dogs that have no papers and no testing. What type of contract did your breeder send home with your puppy? What are we to do in the next couple of years when these dogs go "out of style" and big dogs come back in?? Just go for that Shepadoodle or that DoberCollie because it is the "craze?" No, don't think so. I will get my mutts from the shelter or for free and my PUREBREDS from breeders, not puppy millers.

**edit**
Do you see Spud in my signature? He is the result of a puppy mill.

My grandmother, whom I no longer speak with for other reasons, is friends with a scary old lady that owns Pekes and Shih-Tzus. She breeds a Peke to a Shih and comes out with, I guess you would call it a Peke-Shih??? Anyway, the breeding dogs are kept in horrific conditions and one is even an aggressive little punk that stays in the yard all day and night! My grandmother was given one of the puppies, and when she didn't want him anymore, I got him. Is Spud cute in most opinions? Yes. Is he fluffy and small? Yes. Is he loving most of the time? Yes. Did his parents have hip and ,most importantly for their breeds, eye testing? No! Did they go through proper temperament testing? No!
Spud has to be worked with all of the time to control his anger/aggressiveness. Had his parents had any care taken of them, been purebred with a longstanding standard, and tested... he probably would not have ever been born. I love Spud. But... I could find the same mix at several shelters around me. I know that with his selfish birth (selfish of the puppy milling lady), a mixed dog of the same size and breeds was put down. I know without a shadow of a doubt that if I asked this woman that produced him what her goal was in breeding these mutts, she would most likely be stumped for an answer.
What purpose does your Maltese/Poodle mix serve that another mutt could not serve?
I know I have made some bad choices with my dogs before (who I got them from, what food I fed them, etc.), so I just want to help others before they make too many bad choices.

Fran27
12-20-2005, 09:36 AM
What purpose does your Maltese/Poodle mix serve that another mutt could not serve?



They're in fashion so they bring in more money, why? :P

Beauceron
12-20-2005, 12:14 PM
Any breeder who considers themselves responsible follows a code of ethics, check out any of the national breed clubs code of ethics, Labradors, Poodles, Maltese, Schnauzers, ect. ALL of them DO NOT ALLOW crossbreding!

rottiegirl
12-20-2005, 03:39 PM
I think its pretty weird that people who breed "designer dogs" consider the word "mutt" as a bad word. I think its disgusting that people are out there breeding mixes and getting thousands of dollars off of one puppy. those breeders dont know crock about dogs and breeding, period.

Ash47
12-20-2005, 06:50 PM
It's a "bad word" rottie, because they know it's the truth. They don't want the truth to get out there. That would risk them losing their profits. DUH! :p

rottiegirl
12-20-2005, 07:01 PM
It's a "bad word" rottie, because they know it's the truth. They don't want the truth to get out there. That would risk them losing their profits. DUH! :p
I know, but the word "mutt" is just a word for a dog that is mixed with two or more breeds. Its just retarded how they came up with the phrase "designer dog" to describe a mutt.

Ash47
12-20-2005, 07:19 PM
Oh I know. But, it makes them money, so they don't care what they call it, as long as the cash keeps rolling in.

MonaD
12-20-2005, 07:27 PM
On a lighter note...Murphie is a rescued mutt, but when someone asks what breed she is I say "oh, she's an all Canadian", and its usually gets a good chuckle. For some reason, 'mutt' is seen as sort of a pejorative or substandard, as in "oh she's JUST a mutt". Don't know why and have never understood it.
She's all good dog as far as I'm concerned

bubbatd
12-20-2005, 09:05 PM
I checked on Maltipoos today and yes they are a "breed" accepted by some cross breed assoc. Sad !!

rottiegirl
12-20-2005, 09:07 PM
I checked on Maltipoos today and yes they are a "breed" accepted by some cross breed assoc. Sad !!
What are cross breed assoc.?

bubbatd
12-20-2005, 09:20 PM
Just google into breeds,,, they (unfortunatley ) are listed ...

Zoom
12-20-2005, 09:20 PM
Associations. I assume it's an organization created by those who felt left out of the AKC, CKC, UKC, NKC and any other KC's out there because their dog is an overpriced mutt and they want some sort of recognition for that.

rottiegirl
12-20-2005, 09:24 PM
Associations. I assume it's an organization created by those who felt left out of the AKC, CKC, UKC, NKC and any other KC's out there because their dog is an overpriced mutt and they want some sort of recognition for that.
Exactly. Just because they make thier own little organization and list mutts as breeds doesnt make those "designer dogs" actual breeds. Does anyone agree? Do they even have a breed standard?

sparks19
12-20-2005, 10:16 PM
Exactly. Just because they make thier own little organization and list mutts as breeds doesnt make those "designer dogs" actual breeds. Does anyone agree? Do they even have a breed standard?

The only breed standard is that they be cute when they are born so they can sell em for big bucks.

rottiegirl
12-20-2005, 10:23 PM
The only breed standard is that they be cute when they are born so they can sell em for big bucks.
Thats what i thought.

mojozen
12-22-2005, 02:55 PM
I think it is up to the individual what they want in a dog and how much they want to pay, unfortunately that is what the price of a dog like mine is in the papers.

What papers? Are they from the AKC or the UKC or the CKC? Papers don't mean crock if they dont come from a recognized NATIONAL kennel club. And even then they dont' say anything about the validity of the temperment or the health of the dog in question.

I have a mutt. He's a pit bull - dachshund cross. Very sweet, has skeletal problems mostly in his hips and in his legs. I paid $40 for him. But because all these cutesy names are so popular these days for mutts, when people ask me what he is? I say he's a "Mongolian Poochie Dog."

I get asked repeatedly where they can get a Mongolian Poochie Dog like mine.

rottiegirl
12-22-2005, 03:39 PM
What papers? Are they from the AKC or the UKC or the CKC? Papers don't mean crock if they dont come from a recognized NATIONAL kennel club. And even then they dont' say anything about the validity of the temperment or the health of the dog in question.

I have a mutt. He's a pit bull - dachshund cross. Very sweet, has skeletal problems mostly in his hips and in his legs. I paid $40 for him. But because all these cutesy names are so popular these days for mutts, when people ask me what he is? I say he's a "Mongolian Poochie Dog."

I get asked repeatedly where they can get a Mongolian Poochie Dog like mine.
I have noticed that maltipoo breeders say that their puppies are ckc registered or that both parents are AKC registered.

mojozen
12-22-2005, 04:04 PM
I have noticed that maltipoo breeders say that their puppies are ckc registered or that both parents are AKC registered.

Yes, but doesn't a puppy have to be purebred itself in order to get papers from a nationally recognized kennel club? So wonderful your puppy's parents have papers - good for you - your puppy is still a mutt.

Sorry if i seem a bit aggressive, crap like this annoys the hell out of me. :mad:

rottiegirl
12-22-2005, 10:31 PM
Yes, but doesn't a puppy have to be purebred itself in order to get papers from a nationally recognized kennel club? So wonderful your puppy's parents have papers - good for you - your puppy is still a mutt.

Sorry if i seem a bit aggressive, crap like this annoys the hell out of me. :mad:
It annoys the hell out of me too. I dont understand why they think its so great that the parents are registered. Being AKC registered does nothing more than just proving that the dog is pure bred. Its useless to mixed puppies.

Madaline
12-23-2005, 01:49 AM
What papers? Are they from the AKC or the UKC or the CKC? Papers don't mean crock if they dont come from a recognized NATIONAL kennel club. And even then they dont' say anything about the validity of the temperment or the health of the dog in question.

I have a mutt. He's a pit bull - dachshund cross. Very sweet, has skeletal problems mostly in his hips and in his legs. I paid $40 for him. But because all these cutesy names are so popular these days for mutts, when people ask me what he is? I say he's a "Mongolian Poochie Dog."

I get asked repeatedly where they can get a Mongolian Poochie Dog like mine.


NEWSPAPERS, That is how much they are selling in the newspapers, I never said anything about registration papers. Go onto the Vancouver Sun Classified section and you can see for yourself how much dogs are selling for, I would like to pay only $40.00 for a little dog, but it is nearly impossible to get a toy breed for unde $300.00. Purebreed or MUTT

mojozen
12-23-2005, 01:03 PM
NEWSPAPERS, That is how much they are selling in the newspapers, I never said anything about registration papers. Go onto the Vancouver Sun Classified section and you can see for yourself how much dogs are selling for, I would like to pay only $40.00 for a little dog, but it is nearly impossible to get a toy breed for unde $300.00. Purebreed or MUTT

A lot of shelters do sell their dogs for $100US or less. Even puppies. In my opinion, and ONLY my opinion, getting a dog out of the papers is almost as bad as from a petstore - because that's another place BYBers sell puppies.

Why do i say this? Because prior to adopting Mojo I attempted to buy a lhasa apso puppy from the classifieds of Chicago. I asked the breeder if i could meet both paretns and see where they kept their dogs and the whelping area? I wasn't allowed to meet the sire, and wasn't allowed to see where the dogs had been living at ALL. This struck me as very odd so I declined to buy the puppy and stuck with searching shelters for a year to find a dog that would work with me.

Voila Mojo - wonder mutt - 35 to 40 lbs of love - already housebroken and crate trained. All for $40. What a steal! :)

LuckyLover
12-31-2005, 06:19 PM
I have a maltipoo! He is the best dog in the whole world. Getting a maltipoo is a great choice I think. I spent $350 canadian on my dog and my dog 5 years ago. He is known by all as the gentle men of the neihghbor hood. Or long legged Lucky. I think that getting a maltipoo would be one of the best descioons you've ever made. But thats just my opinion http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/7919/picture0180fl.th.jpg (http://img488.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture0180fl.jpg) My baby boy Lucky 5 year old Maltipoo. No Maltipoos arn't pue breeds but they are still wonderful dogs. I did not read your whole post when i first posted this. You dog was not raised well. My mom once went to court and sued a lady who ran a kitten mill are cat became very sick within a couple days of getting it. Make sure you bring your puppy to the vets asap to make sure its been vaccinated and is healthy. You dog will be a great dog just maake sure to handle it lots because animals rraised on mills are often never handle. So make sure to handle him or her lots and get it socialized with other dogs as well as humans and you will have a great dog no doubt :)

ps. Maltipoos are also known for being one of the longest living dogs some have liven up to 18 years but thats at the very best most commen is 14-16 years. Also cross breeds are known for being much healthier then purebreeds. He has never had any health problems and is now 5 turning 6 in May

Saje
12-31-2005, 06:21 PM
I have a maltipoo! He is the best dog in the whole world. Getting a maltipoo is a great choice I think. Saying that X's shouldn't be made is like saying that Black people and White people should have kids or that differewnt reliogons shouldn't have kids. I spent $350 on my dog and my dog 5 years ago. He is known by all as the gentle men of the neihghbor hood. Or long legged Lucky. I think that getting a maltipoo would be one of the best descioons you've ever made. But thats just my opinion http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/7919/picture0180fl.th.jpg (http://img488.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture0180fl.jpg) My baby boy Lucky 5 year old Maltipoo

I know you love your dog but you can't compare breeding mutts between breeding human races. Human babies with mixed backgrounds aren't abandoned or put to sleep when they pee in the house or aren't cute anymore. It's a whole different story.

Beauceron
12-31-2005, 07:38 PM
Just a side note, several people are mentioning the CKC, well there is the Canadian KC, which is ligit, but there is also, the Continental KC, created by millers and for millers, you can register mixes as "experimental crosses" On the reg, papers there is even a spot for you to list your "hybrid breed's name" In other words We can all just start making up breeds.

iluvdogs
12-31-2005, 09:32 PM
Just because some dogs are not purbreed, don't mean they are less of a dog then the ones that are! All our life we had mixed dogs, some we paid for some we got free. We known people who have purbreed and they had more problems with there dogs then we did with our mixed dogs. You cant put a price on a dog when you see how happy they are to see you, or how they can love you non stop.

This is my Multi-poo and I am not sorry that I paid 200 for him. Madaline is right when she said its nearly impossible to find a little dog that is a Mutt or Purebreed for cheap.

http://tinypic.com/jhv429.jpg

gaddylovesdogs
12-31-2005, 09:40 PM
Nobody is saying that because your dog is a mutt it's somehow "stupid". Most people here love mutts, including me (I've got two of my own). But breeding them is wrong when there are so many waiting for homes in shelters!! Did you know that around 5 million dogs are euthanized in American shelters every year? 750,000 dogs and cats are gassed to death in Lousiana annually.

iluvdogs
12-31-2005, 10:09 PM
I know that, and about every hour they are putting a animal to sleep, and thats sad :( , But I do what I can and I make sure to spay and neuter my animals.. I was just saying that it dont matter "Mutts" and"Purebreeds" are wonderful dogs. :D

LuckyLover
01-01-2006, 03:41 AM
From what I know you got a deal on your dog. I know you will love him I love my maltipoo to death. My maltipoo I got 5 years ago and he was $350 candaian. i have seen the money considerably fo up and I know see the average cost around 450 for a mix little dog. They are much healthier then purebreeds I used to have a lab and they are also very long lived. My maltpoo is the best dog i've ever had.

Fran27
01-01-2006, 11:48 AM
Maltipoos are also known for being one of the longest living dogs some have liven up to 18 years but thats at the very best most commen is 14-16 years. Also cross breeds are known for being much healthier then purebreeds. He has never had any health problems and is now 5 turning 6 in May

Not to scare you, but that's not at all a proven fact. Mostly because those mixes are fairly new and there's probably none of them (other than accidental breeding) that is over 7 year old now.

I see the point of people who really want small dogs now though, and why some people end up buying those mixes. I agree that it's hard to find small dogs in shelters. You didn't pay too much for them, which is ok also in my book, it's the breeder that sell them for over $400 that make me scream.

tessa_s212
01-01-2006, 12:36 PM
They are much healthier then purebreeds I used to have a lab and they are also very long lived. My maltpoo is the best dog i've ever had.

This is false. This was a lie made up by ignorant breeders that wanted you to buy their mixed breeds. ;)

bubbatd
01-01-2006, 12:47 PM
For those who have these mixed breeds, enjoy and love them to death. For those who own pure breeds... don't knock the owners of others.

Fran27
01-01-2006, 02:18 PM
Also cross breeds are known for being much healthier then purebreeds.

I missed that one :P

As Tessa said, it's false. It's what breeders say. If if there is no testing on the parents, you can end up with a puppy with problems too. For example, if both parents have eye problems, your pup is likely to have eye problems. Yes, mixes benefit from having a much wider range of genes than purebreds, but if they are poorly bred they're likely to have problems too. And unfortunately I have yet to see a breeder of those mixes do any kind of testing on the parents.

LuckyLover
01-01-2006, 03:22 PM
Fran you are intirely intittiled to your own opinion but I know a lady personally who has a 13 year old malti poo and a 15 year old malti poo she used to have an older one also but it just recently past. Also yesterday while I was walking mine a lady with a 14 year old maltipoo asked if mine could play. About 3 years ago when I first met my dogs groomer she said she had known a maltipoo which she groomed that was over 17 years old. My dog is 5. So Im not sure your right about that one, but like I said you are intitled to your opinion. What I am 110% sure about is that I LOVE my dog. I have him now and so does this other lady with her new puppy. You guys should remember when ou brought your new puppy home and your all excited and want to tell the world how you have theh best dog ever. So just go easy on it. You may not agree with some of her/ my opinions but dont crush that feeling of having the best thing in the whole world I bet you all remember it. She understands its not purebreed. But she has the dog now and I guarentee her it will be the best dog shes ever had. So its done she has it and I know if I where her I'd be upset. It sounds like you guys are trying to guilt her into thinking she just broke a law or something.

So I'd Like To Say Congradulations On Your New Pup! I Know You Will Enjoy It And I Know You Will Also Not Regret Your Decsicoin! I love my maltipoo so much I cnat imagine my life without him.


ps. My vet has said they are healthier then purebreeds and all my dog books. And I have had a lab that had health problems. And my neighbors purebreed corgi has had problems. But known of the mixes or crossbreeds i know have ever shown problems. But again I may be wrong. So im not trying to start anythng. My dog has never shown any health problems at all. But I do also love purebreeds I love dogs doesn't matter how big or little or what breed tupe / mix or cross.

LuckyLover

Fran27
01-01-2006, 04:58 PM
The main reason why so many purebred dogs have problems is that they are poorly bred. I think that probably 70% of purebred dogs out there come from those places, which is why so many seem to have problems.

And of course you love your dog, and I love mine too, we're not criticizing the dogs. I have a mutt too and I love him also, I just know he might develop dysplasia or something later. Because he's a mutt doesn't mean I love him less nor that he will be very healthy all his life. Our problem is just that people are breeding more dogs when so many are in shelters, and that with such a surpopulation the only good reason to breed is to work on improving a breed.

Madaline
01-01-2006, 05:14 PM
Just because some dogs are not purbreed, don't mean they are less of a dog then the ones that are! All our life we had mixed dogs, some we paid for some we got free. We known people who have purbreed and they had more problems with there dogs then we did with our mixed dogs. You cant put a price on a dog when you see how happy they are to see you, or how they can love you non stop.

This is my Multi-poo and I am not sorry that I paid 200 for him. Madaline is right when she said its nearly impossible to find a little dog that is a Mutt or Purebreed for cheap.

http://tinypic.com/jhv429.jpg


Thanks for backing me up Your Maltipoo is adorable.

I only payed $300.00 for my Purebreed Poodle 13 years ago, now they go for around $1,000. or more. My Mum payed $600. 7 years ago, they keep going up and up just like everything else. People have more money these days so they will pay the price, Most mixed breeds are over $300. I love my Maltipoo and when my Poodle passes on Im going to get another one, I think it was the best move I ever made getting Madeline, I have never owned a mixed breed before, maybe they are a fad, designer breed what ever you want to call them but as long as they are loved and looked after I dont think they will end up in the pound, the people that pay alot for there dogs there is a very very good chance they will keep them for there live time.

filarotten
01-01-2006, 05:24 PM
Mixed breed or a purebred, it doesn't matter. As long as you love it and take good care of it. That should be the most important issue.

Beauceron
01-01-2006, 08:17 PM
I think the issue here is not individual dogs, but overall dog welfare. These people buying mixes like Maltese/Poodle mixes, or Labrador/Poodle mixes, are just supporting "breeders" who real dog people work so hard to protest against. By producing more illicet dogs shelter dogs continue to die. I am a breeder, but I also rescue and offer certain guarentees on my pups, as any good breeder should. I also own 2 dogs taken out of puppy mills, my male Bernese Mtn dog I pulled out myself, my little Yorkshire Terrier came to me after his vet bills were rediculously high and the shelter who took him in needed help.

According to the Humane society of the US about %75-80 of dogs in animal shelters are mixes, so aren't there enough mixed breeds already?

Beauceron
01-01-2006, 08:21 PM
Also in my opinion if the dog's initial price is something you worry about maybe getting a dog isn't the best thing in the dogs interest, as a breeder if I hear "how much for a puppy" as one of the first questions I am always very turned off, and often end up denying the people all-together.

LuckyLover
01-01-2006, 10:25 PM
I live in Canada and originally we were think of getting a dog from the SPCA but they said that they very rarely get little dog mixes and that when they get little dogs they asre tooken fast. The only little dog there when we were was a Minature Pinschur. Luckys Breeder showed us pictures of the litters dad. So we now it wasn't a dog jumping over the fence like others have been saying. The litters mom and dad were both maltipoos and so were his grandparents both maltipoos on both sides. But I have always known that maltipoos are not a purebreed.