Designer Breeds

[Juicy]

If your a vet and a person INSISTS that his/her dog is a puggle, what would you put as breed? I would put BEAGLE/PUG MIX. Shetlers now label cockapoos, and other designer breeds as a ''breed''. Its a good thing b/c it will attract the adoptees attention, but none the less its a Cocker Spaniel/Poodle mix. Shoot lets make up designer names for our dogs!! if my dogs ever mated (can't Pepe's neutered) it would be a Bichon Terrier or a Rat Frise. Once Didi mated with a shih tzu I had, so the pup would of been a Rat Tzu or a Shih Terrier. Why can't they call mutts just mutts!! Now purebreeds will be the mutts of today!! No one will want to adopt purebreeds, would you image that?!

[Mikey27X834]

They're mutts, I refuse to call them Labradoodles or anything like that.

[Cassiepeia]

If I was a vet, I'd put beagle/pug mix also.
I'm not a fan of shelters using the designer mutt names to try and help get them adopted. I think it sends the wrong message, that these mixes are really breeds. :( I do understand why they might use the names though, after all they desperately need homes for those poor furkids.

Made up names? Hmmm....I only have one dog, a Chihuahua, but if my sister's dog (a silky terrier) and my dog had pups (can't, both are fixed) they could be a Chisilky or a Silterrihua. LOL :p

Cass.

[WES]

...Sheprott. I didn’t realize I had a “designer" dog.

[Juicy]

Say by chance I had a designer dog like a lab x poodle, you know how dog park people are, awww is that a labradoodle? I'll say no, its a lab x poodle, no way I would be caught saying something like labradoodle, that's something my baby cousin will think of, and adults will think its cute, but me, pppfft. I bet thats how it all started someone making up a silly name and I guess it stuck.

[Cassiepeia]

Say by chance I had a designer dog like a lab x poodle, you know how dog park people are, awww is that a labradoodle? I'll say no, its a lab x poodle, no way I would be caught saying something like labradoodle, that's something my baby cousin will think of, and adults will think its cute, but me, pppfft. I bet thats how it all started someone making up a silly name and I guess it stuck.
Yup, it was some guy from the Victorian Guide dog Association in Australia who thought it was a cute name for them. :rolleyes: It probably was, the first time he said it.

Cass.

[Becca_]

Made up names: Gracie is a Chow Chow, my daughters dog is a Pug. So we'd have PugglyChows.

[Sirius]

Made up names: Gracie is a Chow Chow, my daughters dog is a Pug. So we'd have PugglyChows.

LMFAO !!!

Okay, bullmastiff and bouvier des flanders ?? a bullmastiff des flandres. rottie and bullmastiff ?? Rottmastiff.

In the pet store I saw: labradoodles, and jack pugs. yuck.

[AmberwayGSD]

I would have MiniPinsherds.

[bubbatd]

The back yard breeders really started all this , though there were some legit breeders who really wanted to start new lines. Most failed, but the BWBs are still raking in the money . 40 years ago my friend laughingly called her mix a snuzoodle .... little does she know that today she would have paid $500 instead of $25.

[anna]

I would love to adopt a retriever/standard poodle mix, but would call it a ___/___ mix, not a doodle (silly) or mutt (sort of derogatory)

[tessa_s212]

Yup..I have a basenji/rat terrier..but I don't call her a basenrattie~ I call her what she is.

[gaddylovesdogs]

When people ask me what my mixed breeds are - I answer that they are mixed breeds. If somebody asks what Tippy is, I say, "She's border collie and German shepherd." somebody asks what Colby is? I tell them, "She's a Jack Russell Terrier mix." They're mixed breeds and that's one of the many reasons I love them.

[lucille]

OT, but it would be nice if someone crossed a guy with a Maytag and/or a compass so they would do the dishes once in a while and have a better sense of direction....:D



ps, JK..:p

[Athebeau]

I have a German Pinscher, Rottweiler, Manchester Terrier and Greyhound mixed breed at home and guess what...he is called Doberman. I had another one of these mixed breeds before and she was a Canadian and American Champion with the CKC and AKC...she was just an inbred crossbred mutt that they officially called a Doberman.:)

I also have 3 Tibetan Mastiff crosses which are now after years of inbreeding can officially be called a purebred Newfoundland dogs.

I also have a Mastiff mix type cattle dog which has been inbred long enough to be called a Rottweiler.

If you inbred long enough and set certain standards then most mixed breeds can officially be called a purebred dog by the kennel club standards. So, officially if these doodle breeders inbred and set a rigid standard then they can apply with the kennel clubs and these mixed breeds will then be purebred dogs.

[Beauceron]

That's a problem for me at my work, I work for a trainer/groomer and when we get in one of these mixes both my boss and I write Lab Poodle X If an owner takes offense we always ask what were the parents, and we always get one was a lab the other a poodle... so we just carry on called the dog a mix.

[gaddylovesdogs]

If the breeder is responsible and really is trying to have their mix accepted as a breed, I'm fine with it. I just don't like the idiots who breed them and try to sell them as some "exotic" and "rare" "breed". I love my mutts, they're awesome dogs and I love their looks and their temperaments.

[RedyreRottweilers]

MY OPINION is this:

ANYONE who is crossing breeds to sell in the pet trade can not be a responsible breeder, no matter how they are breeding dogs.

To cross a pug and a beagle, or a lab and a poodle, or a Cocker Spaniel and a Poodle, etc etc and so on and do forth ad nauseum is an insult to each breed and the caring breeders who try to breed it to keep breed type and health. There is NO REASON to make these crosses except to sell puppies in the pet trade. That is NEVER a good reason for breeding dogs.

There ARE some people in sport and working dogs who cross breeds for a REASON. This is not something I would do, but certain farm and sport dog crosses ARE done for a clear reason.

There are far too many good dogs dying in shelters each year for responsible breeders to excuse ANYONE not breeding the right way and for the right reasons.

[Fran27]

Athebeau the only differences (but big ones) are that those people who made dobermans and newfies did it 1) with a purpose other than making money, 2) knew what they were doing. I don't think any of these two conditions apply to any of the 'designer breeds' breeders nowadays.

On a side note, I'm not sure it would work that way anyway, because Australians have been working on a standard for labradoodles but it's still not a recognized breed, maybe because there just isn't a true reason to breed them?

[RedyreRottweilers]

The "labradoodle" breeding program originally begun in Australia for their leader dog program was abandoned because they could not get them to breed true.

Anyone else breeding these mixes are just hangers on. I call them pups for bucks greed breeders.

[Athebeau]

Athebeau the only differences (but big ones) are that those people who made dobermans and newfies did it 1) with a purpose other than making money Quote by Fran27

But Fran, Purebred dogs are still mixed breeds...there really aren't many "true" natural breeds they all ended up in a mixing pot the true ancestors are races of dogs (mongrels). My question is, what is healthier, outcrossing and bringing in new blood...or inbreeding and creating genetic defects and problems. It's very common to have genetic disease in most purebred dogs. My male is a champion in 3 countries (States, Canada & Bermuda) he has Elbow Dysplasia and cannot hike or swim because of it. That to me is not healthy.

My big concern about purebred dogs is the fact that until about 100 years ago they were never restricted to the in-breeding programs we currently have in place. The kennel clubs and breeders actually force unhealthy breeding practices of inbreeding on these poor dogs. For myself I think healthy breeding should include out crossing breeds every once in awhile. Perhaps bring the Tibetan Mastiff into the Newf breeding etc.

I really do get sick to my stomach when I think of the genetic diseases created by purebred breeding. There are new diseases popping up every day. To say these same diseases have been around for hundreds of years before purebred breeding is deceitful. Also, to say that people a hundred years ago who created these breeds knew more about genetics is really wild...yet they created these breeds (by crossbreeding) and probably back in that time they would have continued crossbreeding...so, in that sense they did have more common sense than we have. So, basically now we have a few crossbred dogs, inbred for a few generations to create "type" "standard" and now it's almost sacreligious to think about bringing new blood into these small gene pools.

There are still purebred breeders breeding only for the big bucks as well. We also have purebred dogs over flowing the rescue...currently we have 70+ Springer Spaniels (show dogs) and Old English Sheepdogs (show dogs), Alaskan Malamute's and recently a breeder was busted by the SPCA and their champion Shepherds were confiscated. Where there is money to be made it brings out the worst of the worst.

I do agree with you that to have these cutesy new dogs for monetary purpose is wrong. I also know that some purebred breeders do the same thing. I can't think of anything more unhealthy than breeding English Bulldogs...I find that particular breeding to far outweigh the wrong of Doodle mixes. To purposely breed a dog that is unhealthy, built wrong, has a respiratory system which makes it hard for them to breathe...there is no dog breeding worse than these. But, people think it's fine just because a kennel club says it's OK...we are being brainwashed.

This is just my opinion:) This is what makes the world go round is differing opinions. I like to give my opinions, then it's up to the individual to dismiss them...or think about them. Most times I just have people yell at me for my ideas...but, isn't that what a forum is for...discussing.:)

Just to add, Alaskan Huskies are constantly crossbred to create good working dogs. Border Collies do not follow the standards set by kennel clubs...actually they really put up a fight when the AKC wanted to recognize their breed. They fought it, but the AKC won. You can slowly see a decline in this breed - the ones that are not bred by working folk that is. The show breeds are suffering.:(

[MOODYGIRL]

They're mutts, I refuse to call them Labradoodles or anything like that.

Yea I saw them they have a lot of energy right?

[Fran27]

Oh I agree with you Athebeau, there are way too many problems with purebred dogs nowadays. My problem however is people who claim they are making new breeds (especially non shedding or hypoallergenic ones, which is not always true), when it's just really to make more money. I mean, purebred dogs are worth more because of the work it takes too make good quality dogs... to make mutts, you just have to take two dogs and mate them, so there is no justification whatsoever to the $1200 they sometimes charge...Plus I have yet to see a breeders of those breeds who actually check for genetic problems in the parents.

And mostly, there's no reason whatsoever to make more mutts and charge even $500 for them when there are mutts that are born everyday and end up in shelters.

So it's not the mutts that bother me, but the unethical breeding really.

[Brattina88]

I would just like to say that I am dog sitting my teachers Cocker Poodle mix right now. At the begining of the year we got into it about Cockapoos and other designer breeds... she made a good point, but that doesn't make me want to go out and breed mixes. He doesn't have typical Cocker problems, his temperment is unique - like that of a poodle and a cocker :rolleyes:
But go to the shelter and you'll find a dog with an equally unique temperment and that is healthy!
But go to the shelter and you find a ton of purebred dogs, too!

[bubbatd]

A Golden and Poodle mix could be great....BUT, if they are from a hyper Golden line and a neurotic poodle line ....look out!!!

[mojozen]

i call my mutt a "mongolian poochie dog." it began in jest, but it has stuck. thank god he is neutered - he is a "rare breed" indeed.


(we guess that he's actually a pit bull dachshund x - but since i adopted him as an adult - i will never know what he truely is)

[Beauceron]

I wouldn't say it's common to have health problems in purebreds, depends on your breeder, my Rottweiler has an Am/Can Champion, and went OFA excellent, she was from wonderful lines that didn't just concentrate on looks, she also could work an excellent C-course in herding! Just a good all around dog!

Also lets say we cross a Lab (prone to hip dysplacia) with a Poodle (prone to PRA) whose to say the pup won't end up WITH both health problems?

[Nobody's Fool]

My sister had a female Jack Russell (slightly neurotic) and a male Chihuahua (extremely neurotic). She bred them and had pups..... called them Jackahua's ("Jack-a-wow's)....... Cute puppies, but not too bright. There were housebreaking issues, the inability to judge distance or height (one kept running into the step to the porch for many months. Couldn't learn to jump up onto it. Also ran into walls for quite a while....), and extreme fear of strange objects/people. VERY good with kids and other dogs, though.....
I think designer dogs are a really big mistake, especially when the "breeder" does not consider the intelligence, mental and physical health, or "personality"/attitude of the dogs he/she is breeding. I personaly love the mixed breeds, but breeding mixes just to make a buck is SO wrong!! Just as breeding pure breds for a specific physical trait (such as massive headed pitties or humongous GSDs....) is wrong. I say let's go back to the old days, when a dog was bred to do a task well, be able to learn and obey commands, and to be healthy (they wanted their dogs to live long, healthy lives back then......)

Just my humble opinion. Sorry for the long post.....

Sara

[Sheba]

My dog's name would be really silly if we put the breed together! (I do not support the 'breeds' as real breeds. A Pittbull is a real BREED. A cockapoo is not.)

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[Labraguese]

I have a "labraguese" but I think it's stupid that they called him that. He's just a mutt to me.
I love him all the same that way.

[Madaline]

I have a maltipoo, I have never had a cross before we always had purebreed poodles before, so this is a new experience for us, but she is wonderful and very smart, the vet told my she will not be so high strung as my poodle and she is so layed back its wonderful, she is more maltese I think than poodle has the smarts of a poodle but looks like a maltese., I was boxing day shopping today and looking for a calendar and they even have dog calendars now catering to the cross breed, saw a few, yorkie poo, labradoodle to name a couple.

[Fran27]

Well yes, everything that can bring some money :rolleyes: Sad!

We are not saying that they are bad dogs though, just that breeding them is wrong, especially when they cost as much or more as purebred dogs. There are lots of mutt puppies in shelters and they cost much less, plus they don't encourage people to add to the dog surpopulation just to make money.

But someone raised a good point too, which is that badly bred they can have the same genetic problems as purebred dogs and can have lots of temperament issues as well. And I just don't believe that most breeders care.

[bubbatd]

As a child I was brought up with an Irish Setter and then we got our 1st Golden , " Point". I thought had we bred them together we could have " Pointsetters "

[Mach1girl]

Pitbull X Schitzu(sp??) = "Bull-schitz!!!"

I know it is not funny, but I just had to say it!!!

[john doe iii]

I'm curious if you guys feel the same way about humans who are "not pure" of one race? Please educate me the difference .... if I remember correctly, us humans started this way at one point or another.

[anna]

actualy, it,s very funny! You get points for clever

[Fran27]

I'm curious if you guys feel the same way about humans who are "not pure" of one race? Please educate me the difference .... if I remember correctly, us humans started this way at one point or another.

Huh? I don't see how you can compare lol.

[Nobody's Fool]

I'm curious if you guys feel the same way about humans who are "not pure" of one race? Please educate me the difference .... if I remember correctly, us humans started this way at one point or another.

I don't know how you can compare the two either. I personally don't have a problem with people of "mixed races"...... I don't have a problem with mixed breed dogs, either. It's when people start forcing the breeding of certain mixes without regard to health and mental stability, giving them cutsie names and trying to sell these mixes to make a profit. Imagine if "someone" tried to force two separate races of humans to "breed" and by so doing tried to create a new, perhaps superior, "race." Is that right??
(I, by the way, am a Native American/Irish/German/Jew....... What would the "Designer Breeders" call me???)

Sara

[Athebeau]

I agree that it is sad that people are breeding designer dogs and making profits off them...but, until people stop buying them they will continue. It's the public that makes this possible for these breeders to continue.

I wouldn't say it's common to have health problems in purebreds, depends on your breeder, my Rottweiler has an Am/Can Champion, and went OFA excellent, she was from wonderful lines that didn't just concentrate on looks, she also could work an excellent C-course in herding! Just a good all around dog!

Also lets say we cross a Lab (prone to hip dysplacia) with a Poodle (prone to PRA) whose to say the pup won't end up WITH both health problems?
If both dogs of each breed were certified and came from great lines your chances of having healthy pup's would be greater than breeding 2 healthy purebreds from the same breed. Purebred dogs have small gene pools, some smaller than others. Some breeds were created with a larger gene pool than others as well.
If you took a Lab with known genetic problems such as HD and a Poodle with a genetic problem and bred them...well that's just common sense.:) You are going to have problems.

The laws of genetics makes it so our animals will not inbred...in the wild young males leave and find new territory. If inbreeding does occur most times the young will not survive to pass on their mutant genes. For example white/albino deer are often shunned by the mother, they may survive but, it's difficult for them.

There are breeders doing some very unethical breeding such as AI..some dogs will not breed naturally any more. Once this starts happening it should be a clue to the breeder that outcrossing should be done and those particuar dogs no longer bred.

[chicksneggs]

If both dogs of each breed were certified and came from great lines your chances of having healthy pup's would be greater than breeding 2 healthy purebreds from the same breed. Purebred dogs have small gene pools, some smaller than others. Some breeds were created with a larger gene pool than others as well.
If you took a Lab with known genetic problems such as HD and a Poodle with a genetic problem and bred them...well that's just common sense.:) You are going to have problems..[BR]

Actually, if you breed a hd dog to a non hd dog you will cut the instances of hd, but it will not go away as some will develope hd. You decrease the instances not increase by outcrossing. Now if the poodle had hd well like you said its common sense not to breed aflicted dogs or dogs from known aflicted lines.


The laws of genetics makes it so our animals will not inbred...in the wild young males leave and find new territory. If inbreeding does occur most times the young will not survive to pass on their mutant genes. For example white/albino deer are often shunned by the mother, they may survive but, it's difficult for them..[BR]

Actually, in the wild you do get a lot of inbreeding as with horses for instance. the stallion will run off the young studs but the young daughters will be bred in about a year and a half or two years to the father stallion if he is still in command of the herd and so on for as long as the old stallion is in charge. Sometimes he will end up inbreeding for several generations.
Animals do not recognize family members like humans do. A female is a female and a male is a male.[BR]

Now as for white deer, the mother will take care of it no matter what color it is...sometimes even if it is another species...calf, goat, lamb, ect....
The reason white deer do not make it in the wild like colored deer is during their life they are standing out due to there color and preditors can see them better than they can the colored ones....except in winter.[BR]In Canada there is a group of white moose who is interbreeding with each other producing white offspring....in centrial park there is a strain of white squirrles as well as a strain of black ones. These pockets of whites and blacks are due to inbreeding in family clusters or areas due to lack of enviroment.

There are breeders doing some very unethical breeding such as AI..some dogs will not breed naturally any more. Once this starts happening it should be a clue to the breeder that outcrossing should be done and those particuar dogs no longer bred.[BR]
AI is a tool to spare the bitch from possible injury and prevent injury to the stud. Also AI is used to breed a female from say one country or area to another very far away without the hassle of travel. AI has nothing to do with the dogs not being able to breed on its own. But I have seen some high bred dogs that are like you said not willing to breed but like you stated those should not be bred in the first place, they usually don't make good breeders or mothers anyway and why breed a dog with a problem?. I feel nature is trying to tell someone the dog should not be bred.

[Madaline]

My vet put down on all my dogs forms that she was a Maltipoo, I think certain crosses are so well known as they have been around for years, like Maltipoo and Cockerpoo, that is what they are called, I dont refer to my dog as a Mutt or a crossbreed, if she was white I could just say she was a Maltese as she looks identical to one except for her color.

There are so many of them nowadays though I think it has become abit of a fad, mostly to get a small non shedding dog, but the puggle and goldendoodle etc are also very popular. Most of the poodle mixes are breed just so the dogs will be hypoallegenic, Also alot of men and even some women tend to not like poodles because of there silly little cuts etc. I have had poodles since I was 12 and Im in my 50's now, I dont know how many people have said to me, Oh I dont Like Poodles.I do feel sorry for the lone little poodle as you hardly see any of them around anymore, I was trying to get a Purebreed Minature Poodle before I got the Maltipoo and just couldnt find one, I talked to all the breeders around went to all the local dog shows and none of them had any and they would not be breeding till next Spring. Then one of them did tell me they have been having trouble with some of the toys and mini's legs, so that put me off a little on getting one. I know my Mums poodle has leg problems

So thats what got me looking at maltipoo's, also my sister inlaw had just got one and he was the sweetest little thing. After Madeline grows up a little I am going to get another one and it will probably be another maltipoo as I just love her to pieces and she has the best personality and the vet said she will not be half as neurotic as my poodle who I already have (He is 13)

[Fran27]

It's really totally random what character they get. That's the main problem with mixes, you have no way to know what temperament or other particularities they will get. Which is why it really irks me when I see people claim that those mixes are non shedding... It's a lie, plain and simple. There's only a 50% chance that the dog will not shed. Plus it depends a lot on the parents. If you breed a neurotic poodle with a neurotic maltese, you will end up with a neurotic mix.

I think that those mixes could be interesting if the breeders really tried to breed high quality dogs (temperament and health wise). Heck, I'm starting to agree now that even if there are lots of mutts in shelters, there are not so many small mutts. But the main problem is still that I have yet to see a breeder of those mixes that actually does temperament and health testing. It's true that purebreed dogs have more health problems than mixes in general, but it's impossible to tell when the mixes are not bred properly either.

For your vet, well it's the first time I've heard of it. My mutt is a border collie mix and it's how I describe him. Nothing wrong with that.