View Full Version : Closest Terrier breed to a Rottie?
simba71
11-18-2005, 10:27 PM
My Rottie died last night and sooner or later I am going to have to get a new dog. I love dogs and have never lost one and it sucks. My 3 kids are devestated.
I want a small dog this time and I want to try a terrier breed. Which Terrier breed has the closest personality of a Rottie? To describe my rotties personality would be Great with kids, very loyal, very smart, Listens very well and very lovable.
Any suggestions ?
I am so sorry about your dog.To me a terrier would never come close to a rott but I don;t know how your dog acted. You may be able to call some breeders and explain what you want and see what they have. You also may be able to find a rott terrier mix that fits in there. Terriers are one of the most abandoned breeds so it would not be hard to find one.
http://www.akc.org/breeds/terrier_group.cfm
You cna read about them there
Good luck:)
Manchesters
11-18-2005, 11:11 PM
My Rottie died last night and sooner or later I am going to have to get a new dog. I love dogs and have never lost one and it sucks. My 3 kids are devestated.
I want a small dog this time and I want to try a terrier breed. Which Terrier breed has the closest personality of a Rottie? To describe my rotties personality would be Great with kids, very loyal, very smart, Listens very well and very lovable.
Any suggestions ?
Any sized dog left unattended in a yard that gets snake bit will die just as fast as any other breed of dog.
Mordy
11-18-2005, 11:19 PM
http://www.k9country.com/perl/dogBreed.pl
Any sized dog left unattended in a yard that gets snake bit will die just as fast as any other breed of dog.
That dosent answer her question, try again.
CreatureTeacher
11-18-2005, 11:47 PM
Any sized dog left unattended in a yard that gets snake bit will die just as fast as any other breed of dog.
That dosent answer her question, try again.
I don't know, I think it's really a wonderfully optimistic outlook. And a really sensitive one, considering Simba71's (painfully) recent loss. Do you have any more of those cheerful nuggets for people who just lost their best friends, Manchesters? I'd like to share them with my sick grandfather. :rolleyes:
Simba, I'm very sorry to hear about your loss. There's not much that's harder than losing a dog. There's a wonderful book by Brian Kilcommons and Sarah Wilson called "Paws to Consider", which has some of the best and most accurate breed-specific information I've read anywhere. You might check it out if you're shopping for a new breed, although there's really nothing quite like a great rottie!
Good luck. I'm excited to know what you decide.
Simba, Manchester would be able to inform you on Manchesters, if she choses to be helpfull.
bubbatd
11-19-2005, 12:06 AM
Please don't rush into a replacement. I really don't know that much about terriers ... I don't think too many are children friendly. Might you consider a Golden or a Lab ?
poodlesmom
11-19-2005, 12:12 AM
I too am sorry about the loss of your rottie and am sure you & your kids are heartbroken.:(
This time tho I understand where Manchester is coming from after reading simba's other post. I am not aware of any breed of dog that has an innate talent to excel at hunting poisonous snakes. And now knowing that you have them in your area I personally wouldn't let my kids or dogs out in the yard without me holding a really long handled shovel.
Manchesters
11-19-2005, 12:16 AM
That dosent answer her question, try again.
It most certainly answers the question. Sorry if YOU don't get it.
Manchesters
11-19-2005, 12:21 AM
I don't know, I think it's really a wonderfully optimistic outlook. And a really sensitive one, considering Simba71's (painfully) recent loss. Do you have any more of those cheerful nuggets for people who just lost their best friends, Manchesters? I'd like to share them with my sick grandfather. :rolleyes:
Simba, I'm very sorry to hear about your loss. There's not much that's harder than losing a dog. There's a wonderful book by Brian Kilcommons and Sarah Wilson called "Paws to Consider", which has some of the best and most accurate breed-specific information I've read anywhere. You might check it out if you're shopping for a new breed, although there's really nothing quite like a great rottie!
Good luck. I'm excited to know what you decide.
Well, my opinion of you just goes up and up!!! You are so sagacious! You are an advocate of people leaving dogs out unattended in snake infested yards to get bitten and die alone? I shall add that to the advice that people must let their dogs bite them and never try to make them stop biting.
I am most interested in your techniques........just what is your canine circulum vitae?
And my heartfelt sympathy to your grandfather or anyone dependent upon your sagacious advice for their wellbeing!
bubbatd
11-19-2005, 12:46 AM
Manchester,,, I'm glad that you're back as you have a lot to share here. But please have a little empathy for new posters. I know where you're coming from , considering the situation of the poster's previous posts. Let's be helpful here... state your concerns and your advice ... don't put them down with one liners.
filarotten
11-19-2005, 11:54 AM
I am sorry about the loss of your rottie. I have had several terriers in the past and and I have to say none will be the same as your rottie. However, I did have an airedale years ago that was a great dog, good with kids loving and affectionate. However I would wait awhile before I jumped into getting another dog. Take some time to grieve for your beloved rottie.
Manchesters, good to have you back.
I’m so sorry to hear of your loss, simba. I’ve read your other post and understand the reasoning you have for getting a terrier but I don’t think it would solve your problem when it comes to snakes. True, a terrier type breed might try and kill the snake but I don’t know of any that were bred for the purpose of killing snakes, let alone poisonous ones. And with the tenacity that many terrier have I can only fear that it would probably cause them to get bitten by the snake then helping the problem. I’ve heard of people taking special snake avoidance classes with their dogs to teach them to fear the snake. It’s better for them to avoid them in my personal opinion.
My thoughts are with you in your kids during this sad time.
Boxer*Mom
11-19-2005, 12:36 PM
I don't think a terrier would have the same personality as your previous dog. My boyfriend has a rat terrier and I have a boxer. They are nothing alike in temperament and you have to be careful about having a dog like that outside, they are adventurous and sneaky. When you are ready for a new dog to bring into your home, visit your local shelters and try to find one that warms your heart. Of course research some breeds and mixes (b/c most of them are) to know what you are capable of having. :)
filarotten
11-19-2005, 01:06 PM
I just read your other post and commented on it. And I am sorry, but almost any dog will try to kill a snake. But if you read my post on your other thread you will understand why I am against you getting a dog for the sole purpose of killing snakes. Get a pig! they kill snakes and are virtually immune to the venom. Invest in king snakes, they kill and eat venomous snakes. Your rottie, more than likely tried to kill the snake, possibly why it was bitten. Getting a dog to kill snakes is making it play russian roulette, just a matter of time before it gets the bullet.
Simba, so sorry for your loss.
As far as your question goes, I honestly couldn't compare a Rottweiler to a terrier, and I wouldn't expect a dog like your Rottie out of a terrier.
Terriers also, while they are generally good with well-behaved kids, do not have the patience for ill-mannered ones. They're quick to snap if kids push their limits.
If you really want a terrier and are willing to get a slightly larger dog, and aren't affected by the breed bans and BSL going on (Which I don't think you are, seeing as you had a Rottweiler) I'd look into the Staffordshire Bull Terrier. They're smallish, not nearly the size of an American Staffy, and they can be such good, patient, sweet dogs. The ones I've met will tolerate anything from their kids.
Filarotten has some good suggestions, and I never knew that about the pigs.. That might be something for you to consider.
simba71
11-19-2005, 01:18 PM
Thanks guys, I am going to take my time getting a new dog, probably a few months and I'm going to research it very well. My wife and I agreed when our two very big dogs do go, we were going to get smaller dogs so another rottie is not an option. We still have the chow/lab and shes 15 years old.
I know terriers arnt designed to be snake killers although some places say they are excellent snake killers http://www.orionkennel.com/nick.html and kill a lot of poisness snakes. I do not want to put that burden on a dog but I would like it to be able to find snakes, then I take care of killing it.
Terriers seem to be the breed to do it. They use them to sniff out brown snakes for the airlines, they use them in many differnt snake situations because frankly they seem to be very good at it if trained right. The one that looks most appealing the Jack Russel, they say isnt very good with kids though and I want a family oriented dog although my kids are very nice to dogs, my boy is only 18 months.
Manchesters I dont know much about, any imput? Right now I'm considering Rat, Cairn, silky and maybe a manchester but I want to research them all very good first. I will probably get the one most even tempered.
I just ordered a gallon of Rodent glue which I'm goign to put on a 4 by 8 sheet of plywood and buy a few mice and put them in a cage in the center of the plywood and leave it there overnight on the otherside of the fence to see how bad my problem is. Someone did that here in town and they found a lot of snakes the next day.
If theres a lot, You can bet I'll be contacting the city asking them to fill that ditch coming off the lake or something. King snakes are another option, I am going to look into the cost of them and hopefuly buying some and releasing them back there.
yuckaduck
11-19-2005, 04:53 PM
A King SNake? You want to turn it loose in your backyard?
How about a black momba?
I kinda think you are adding more to the problem by adding more in.
How to remove a snake?
http://ianrpubs.unl.edu/wildlife/g908.htm
Then there is this one who actually killed an alligator
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4313978.stm
Boxer*Mom
11-19-2005, 07:06 PM
A King SNake? You want to turn it loose in your backyard?
How about a black momba?
I kinda think you are adding more to the problem by adding more in.
Do you not know the difference between a kingsnake and black mamba?!
The Kingsnake derives its name from its habit of eating other snakes, and is most famous for eating rattlesnakes, copperheads and coral snakes. But it also feeds on other snakes, lizards, birds and their eggs, small mammals, turtles and frogs. The Common Kingsnake is a nonvenomous member of the "harmless" Colubridae Family, which includes gopher snakes, garter snakes and whip snakes.
A Black Mamba: As little as two drops of venom can kill a person and a mamba can have up to 20 drops of venom in its fangs. The most deadly snake in the world. Plus they feed on small mammals and birds, like voles, rats, squirrels, mice, rats, or bush babies. Glad they only live in south Africa!
yuckaduck
11-19-2005, 07:11 PM
Do you not know the difference between a kingsnake and black mamba?!
The Kingsnake derives its name from its habit of eating other snakes, and is most famous for eating rattlesnakes, copperheads and coral snakes. But it also feeds on other snakes, lizards, birds and their eggs, small mammals, turtles and frogs. The Common Kingsnake is a nonvenomous member of the "harmless" Colubridae Family, which includes gopher snakes, garter snakes and whip snakes.
A Black Mamba: As little as two drops of venom can kill a person and a mamba can have up to 20 drops of venom in its fangs. The most deadly snake in the world. Plus they feed on small mammals and birds, like voles, rats, squirrels, mice, rats, or bush babies. Glad they only live in south Africa!
I did a quick google search on the King Snake and it is poisnious at least the site I looked at said it was. They compared it to the cobra, and it was #11 on most deadly, the black momba was #10.
Somehow I do not think getting a snake to kill a snake is any solution. Take a look at the site link provided, there is a fence that keeps snakes out.
BigDog2191
11-19-2005, 07:19 PM
A King SNake? You want to turn it loose in your backyard?
How about a black momba?
I kinda think you are adding more to the problem by adding more in.
How to remove a snake?
http://ianrpubs.unl.edu/wildlife/g908.htm
Then there is this one who actually killed an alligator
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4313978.stm
Black Mambas are probably the... absolute worse type of snake you can get. They travel at a VERY fast pace, they strike VERY fast, and they're VERY poisonous. They're probably equivalent to 7 moccassins.
Also, I know you're an animal lover, and I'm VERY sorry for your loss. Must've been tough... but is there anyway you can keep your dogs inside. That's likely to happen again.
I don't know what to say about the snake problem but if you're looking for a dog that's capable of finding a snake or even killing it-- you're right, terriers are the way to go. But it's not really a position you want to put any dog in.
A dog that I'd recommend if you like Rotties would either be an APBT or AmStaff. Both very good dogs.
Meggie
11-19-2005, 07:22 PM
I did a quick google search on the King Snake and it is poisnious at least the site I looked at said it was. They compared it to the cobra, and it was #11 on most deadly, the black momba was #10.
Somehow I do not think getting a snake to kill a snake is any solution. Take a look at the site link provided, there is a fence that keeps snakes out.
http://www.floridaconservation.org/viewing/species/snakesn.html#king
yuckaduck
11-19-2005, 07:24 PM
Black Mambas are probably the... absolute worse type of snake you can get. They travel at a VERY fast pace, they strike VERY fast, and they're VERY poisonous. They're probably equivalent to 7 moccassins.
Actually the water moccassins was higher up on the list of most dangerous. Maybe because there are more of them I do not know. I do know that the black mombas are dangerous but so are the king snakes and what have you.
Snakes yuck, all I can say is the first thing I would do is move. I hate snakes they are the only thing that I hate in this world, even more then the komodo dragon. Snakes they slither on the ground, they have no legs that is the devil as far as I am concerned.
I was not suggesting the black momba to get anyone one killed either, the point was bringing in more snakes is not a solution.
BigDog2191
11-19-2005, 07:26 PM
Actually the water moccassins was higher up on the list of most dangerous. Maybe because there are more of them I do not know. I do know that the black mombas are dangerous but so are the king snakes and what have you.
Snakes yuck, all I can say is the first thing I would do is move. I hate snakes they are the only thing that I hate in this world, even more then the komodo dragon. Snakes they slither on the ground, they have no legs that is the devil as far as I am concerned.
I was not suggesting the black momba to get anyone one killed either, the point was bringing in more snakes is not a solution.
I agree. Even King Snakes, they reproduce like crazy, lay eggs everywhere. You would be adding to the snake problem.
Boxer*Mom
11-19-2005, 07:29 PM
It's a big no no to kill a kingsnake around here, they kill field mice and rattlesnakes for us =) We have a ball python that lives in this room I'm in right now! As long as you know how to handle snakes, they're just like another pet, that doesn't make any noise.
Link for info. about the deadly snake, the black mamba
http://animal.discovery.com/fansites/wildkingdom/blackmamba/blackmamba.html
yuckaduck
11-19-2005, 07:29 PM
Ok the king snake I looked at is not the same at all, it was a King Cobra sorry for the confusion.
Here is the write up on the King Snake that we are actually talking about
The kingsnake is a large, powerful snake found throughout mainland Florida in a variety of habitats, often near water. Although normally between 36 and 48 inches, it is known to reach 82 inches in length.
The kingsnake color pattern varies almost as dramatically as that of the rat snakes. In north Florida, most are the eastern kingsnake variety, which is shiny black with narrow crossbands of white or light yellow. Most central and south Florida specimens are the Florida kingsnake variety, with many indistinct crossbands on a yellow and black "salt and pepper" background. Some populations are intermediately speckled or blotched, but all varieties have the distinctive kingsnake chin marked by black and yellow.
The kingsnake is an egg-laying constrictor, feeding primarily on rodents, birds and reptiles. Its reputation as the "king of snakes" probably stems form its fondness for eating other snakes, including rattlesnakes and other pit vipers, whose venom does not harm the kingsnake. Persons not keen about having many snakes on their property should be careful to safeguard their local kingsnakes!
It is a constrictor and a rather large one so it may enjoy squeezing your dog to death or one of the kids. I still think it is better to try the fence or keep the dog inside.
yuckaduck
11-19-2005, 07:32 PM
It's a big no no to kill a kingsnake around here, they kill field mice and rattlesnakes for us =) We have a ball python that lives in this room I'm in right now! As long as you know how to handle snakes, they're just like another pet, that doesn't make any noise.
Link for info. about the deadly snake, the black mamba
http://animal.discovery.com/fansites/wildkingdom/blackmamba/blackmamba.html
Totally off topic well almost.........is it true if you put a snake in the freezer it slows down its motabilism and almost puts it into a sleep? I just ask because there is a snake and reptile exhibition that Marc wants to take the girls too but I said no way it is not safe. He said they freeze the snakes first so they are in a deep sleep or trance like.
Boxer*Mom
11-19-2005, 07:36 PM
I used to work at a Wildlife Rehabilation Center that put on shows for people visiting the grounds, and we had snakes ranging from 2 to 8 feet long. We also raised our own rabbits, mice, and rats to feed them. We never put them in a fridge or freezer before a group came through! Although that might work because they are cold blooded. I don't think you should be scared to let your kids have a hands on educational experience. it's a lot of fun actually.
Yeah that's a big difference between a kingsnake and a king cobra!
we used to go to reptile exhibits as a kid. So much fun! My sis even held a tranantula. oh i can't spell that and I'm too lazy to look it up.
Meggie
11-19-2005, 07:43 PM
Totally off topic well almost.........is it true if you put a snake in the freezer it slows down its motabilism and almost puts it into a sleep? I just ask because there is a snake and reptile exhibition that Marc wants to take the girls too but I said no way it is not safe. He said they freeze the snakes first so they are in a deep sleep or trance like.
I doubt they would freeze them. As far as I know, they're well fed beforehand. Snakes are very food driven so if they're well fed, they barely move.
It'll be a great experience for your kids, especially if you have a snake phobia. I am spastically afraid of spiders and went to a show like that where they had a tarantula. I sucked it up and pet the #$%^ thing in front of my kids. Darned near fainted when she suggested letting it crawl on my hand though!
yuckaduck
11-19-2005, 08:07 PM
I doubt they would freeze them. As far as I know, they're well fed beforehand. Snakes are very food driven so if they're well fed, they barely move.
It'll be a great experience for your kids, especially if you have a snake phobia. I am spastically afraid of spiders and went to a show like that where they had a tarantula. I sucked it up and pet the #$%^ thing in front of my kids. Darned near fainted when she suggested letting it crawl on my hand though!
Oh god I think if a snake comes near me I will faint. I am just absolutely terrified of them. Even the little harmless ones, I freak at. I think if they go I will stay home because my fears will likely influence them and that is not good.
mwood322
11-19-2005, 08:41 PM
Freezing snakes before a show would be counter productive. Most likely if cold enough the ones from warm locations would go off their feed, get a cold, or possibly die from the temp change. I doubt anyone at an expo would ever recommend cooling a snake that much, that quickly, though some are kept cooler to induce breeding.
I have 4 snakes in the room with my computer, 2 corns, 1 ball python, and 1 ribbon, and so far only one bite in 3 years. (forgot to wash my hands) I think they're great pets, and I highly doubt anyone would bring a bitey one to a show. Generally they're selling snakes at those too, so bringing an aggressive snake would be pointless. :rolleyes:
Feeding them right before hand wouldn't be a great idea either. If too recently, they might regurgitate. It would probably be a few days after a feed, when they're still full, but not just full, and not quite done digesting yet. Handling can be stressful for snakes.
--Mia