Texas Wolves???

[nedim]

WTF? Theyre PURPOSELY breeding wolves with malamutes??:mad:



http://www.texaswolves.com/CWDDen_page01.htm

[Gempress]

Wolves have been deliberately bred to dogs for many years. The resulting "wolfdog" is suppossed to look like a wolf, but have the manners of a dog.

WRONG! SOOO WRONG!

Here is a fact that I do not mention much, just because I don't want people to think that I support it in any way: my last dog, Odin, I usually call a rott/husky mix. Well, his mother was actually a husky/wolf hybrid. I learned a lot about wolf hybrids because of Odin. Here are a few myths and truths about wolf hybrids:

"All dogs are wolves under the skin"--wrong. It took people thousands of years of work to develop our domestic dogs. Wolves and dogs have drastically different temperaments. Adult wolves are suspicious, dominant, defensive and potentially aggressive. When we domesticated the dog, we essentially kept them in a permanant juvenille state. Hence, pups and juvenille wolves act just like dogs, which makes them very appealing. Many wolfdogs owners are even able to take their young animals to the dog park. But once the adult temperament sets in, all bets are off.

"If I get it as a very young puppy, and train it like a dog, and raise it like a dog, it will act just like a dog"---Wrong. Wolves aren't made that way by their environment, they're like that genetically. Doesn't matter how you raise it, if your puppy inherited the right wolf genes, it will become a wolf when it reaches maturity.

Most reputable wolfdog breeders keep their hybrids EXACTLY like they do in zoos: outdoors, in packs, and behind high fences. They are not meant to be housepets.

I learned all this through extensive research. I had to have Odin PTS when he became adult, and it was apparant that he had a strong wolf temperament. It wasn't his fault, he can't help the way he was born. I still agonize over what I did to this day.

On a sidenote, not all wolfdogs are like that. If a wolfdog inherited a dog's temperament, it will be fine. I know several wolfdogs who act just like the german shepherd next door. But it's a genetic roulette. It can't be influenced by socializing, training, or anything like that. If your puppy has the wolf temperament, there's nothing you can do. You can't train it out: you can only live with it. If you're an educated owner and are prepared for that eventuality, that's fine. But if you're not, there's a huge problem.

Don't believe the stuff the breeders say about it being just like a dog. I know better.

Oh, and a prize to Nedim! He found the one subject that really gets me going!
*flings confetti and streamers*

[Lexus]

Beautiful animals....but sad sad business to see..... very wrong.....

[Zoom]

I'm not sure what their aim is...why don't they spend their time in a more effective and ecologically sound manner by helping to selectively breed those wolf populations (McKenzie valley, Timber, Canadian, etc) back into stable populations instead of diluting what may very well be rare bloodlines? I could see maybe creating a sled pack out of them, as the weather and terrain wouldn't bother them a bit...

And if that's not a run-on sentence, I don't know what is....

[bubbatd]

My very first dog was born in northern area of Ontario in 1927....obvious not by a breeder in a small gold mining area !! He was supposedly 1/2 GS and 1/2 wolf. A lovely family dog. But !!! It should be planned breeding today !

[Love4Pits]

There have been dogs bred like this for years. I large percent of Sled dogs have wolf blood in them my father owned a few hybrids in his time. They made a more harsh worker but trainable like a dog. They were for my family far from pets not that they can't be friendly but some are alittle iffy. I don't promote purposely breeding these hybrids.

[gaddylovesdogs]

Many people do this now - mixing wolves with "wolflike" breeeds - Huskies, Malamutes, Akitas, German Shepherds.... I think it's stupid and I think it's wrong. Wolves are wild animals, not pets.

[nedim]

My dog that passed away recently was 1/2 gsd and 1/2 wolf, but his birth took place in the wild and had no human interferance. Its so wrong to interfere and breed hybrids and then sell them to uninformed ppl just to make a buck. I contacted the breeder and "expressed" my dissaproval of her business.

[SHADOW_THE_STAFF]

Im sorry, that is just wrong. Really wrong.

[nedim]

She replied to my email. What an immature person, I hope her dogs eat her.lol

[SHADOW_THE_STAFF]

She replied to my email. What an immature person, I hope her dogs eat her.lol

That made me laff, :D

[nedim]

That made me laff, :D

lol, I wrote her back again, Cant wait to see her "educated and well thought out" reply.lol:rolleyes:

[nedim]

and here is the "conversation" thus far.

No responsible breeder would ever cross-breed dogs, escpecially not a dog with such a high prey drive as a wolf. And "life is too short o be concerned and angry"? I've devoted my life to dogs and it pains me to see "breeders" ruining bloodlines to make a dog thats nothing more than a trend. I never said you didnt take care of your dogs, but you are doing nothing to help either breed in the long run.

Texas Wolves <carol@texaswolves.com> wrote: Hello concerned and angry,
I don't understand why you are so concerned and angry??
First of all, life is way too short to be so upset about my wolf dogs.
If you would do some research you would see that breeding wolf dogs is very common place and accepted.
My animals are well cared for and loved and since you don't have a clue about me or what I'm about, I suggest that you find something worthwhile to be upset about!
By the way, I guess making silly comments on my website is responsible.
Get a life.
Carol
----- Original Message -----
From: Nedim Alivodic
To: carol@texaswolves.com
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 5:15 PM
Subject: concerned and angry


Hi, I stumbled upon your site while looking for wolf pics. I noticed that youre breeding mutts? Whats all that about? What responsible breeder would ever purposely cross-breed? I think what youre doing is very irresponsible.

[bubbatd]

Whoops !!! I made a typo !!! My post should have read " It SHOULDN'T be planned breeding "

[nedim]

Whoops !!! I made a typo !!! My post should have read " It SHOULDN'T be planned breeding "
nice catch Grammy.lol:D

[gaddylovesdogs]

LOL you didn't say she didn't love her dogs - she probably does - but she's taking a wild animal, and selling it to regular people. How stupid can you be? I mean, seriously!!

[Renee750il]

If she loved her dogs she wouldn't want to take a chance on them falling into the wrong hands . . .

Bimmer is a happy accident. His German Shepherd side far outweighs the wolfy part of him, but the wolfiness gives him enough of an edge to maintain order 'mongst the Monsters, lol! I have seen that shift in gears between dog and wolf a couple of times when something was wrong, though, and I'll tell you, I was truly glad he was on my side :eek:

[filarotten]

Why can't people leave well enough alone? We have to mix and match everything. Whats next......breeding coyotes to something? Oh, I know, we can breed coyotes to whippets. We can then call them whip e coyotes. Stupid people. I posted this somewhere already.....Some idiot close to Mexico, wants to breed his prized fighting bulldog to a fila to form a new breed. Isn't that lovely:rolleyes: Isn't there someway to stop this?

[yoko]

LOL you didn't say she didn't love her dogs - she probably does - but she's taking a wild animal, and selling it to regular people. How stupid can you be? I mean, seriously!!

well i mean think about those pythons and exotic pets that are getting popular :/ people are going to be attracted to it because its something not everyone has or can get. now if i were her i'd make people sign a contract when they got a puppy saying they wouldn't sue me for breeding/selling if the dog killed/attacked someone later in life

[Saje]

read her guestbook. It's hilarious. She should check it more often lol

[Chithedobe]

I'm with you Saje, the guest book is hilarious!!!

"i find my love online, and i happy! :)"

[yuckaduck]

I signed her guest book with this comment

Why would someone be so irresponsible to breed such a creature? If you truley wish to help the wolf, then breed and re introduce them into the wild, purebreeds not mutts! Continental kennel club is only a registery for plan mutts and the registration amounts to toilet paper, nothing else. You are adding to the shelter problems. I am sure you love your dogs very much but this is just wrong!


Wonder if she will get back to me or if she will simply delete it.

[Lexus]

Getting mad here, I can't get my message to go through in her guestbook... will try again in the morning. My computer is notorious for being a pain in the @ss at times like these!
Here is what I'm saying when I do get it to work. I know it probably won't change any minds. But I feel better about myself for at least getting it off my chest.

Forget your pocketbook, your bank account, etc. Think about the animals. Wolves are wild animals. They are meant to be in the wild. Period. What you're doing, and others like you, is irresponsible and wrong. Not only are these animals mutts that you are passing off to niave and unsuspecting people that will probably end up either injured themselves, or the animals will be injured eventually. Have you even looked in the serious problem that we are having with overpopulation of shelters and rescues. Do you have a clue how many animals are destroyed yearly because of backyard breeding. And breeding for a "fad", which is what this is. There are more than 1.2 million wolf-dogs that are euthanized every year due to lack of rescues and adequate homes. Sadly this is a fact.

[nedim]

OK, here is how far our e-mail "conversation" got.

Quite the answer I expected.

Texas Wolves <carol@texaswolves.com> wrote: Whatever - To each his own!
----- Original Message -----
From: Nedim Alivodic
To: Texas Wolves
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: concerned and angry


I have done years and years of research, for your information. Its sad that so many people are uninformed about proper breeding. I used to have a gsd/wolf x myself, but he was conceived in the wild, with no human interference. Wolfs are not house pets. They are not domestic dogs and should bot be cross bred with domestic dogs. Just because something has been done for a long time, that does not by any means make it right.

Texas Wolves <carol@texaswolves.com> wrote: A trend, huh? Obviously you haven't done your research. The wolf dog has been around for quite some time, so that hardly qualifies it for being a trend or a fad.
So please do some research before attacking my breeding ethics.


----- Original Message -----
From: Nedim Alivodic
To: Texas Wolves
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: concerned and angry


No responsible breeder would ever cross-breed dogs, escpecially not a dog with such a high prey drive as a wolf. And "life is too short o be concerned and angry"? I've devoted my life to dogs and it pains me to see "breeders" ruining bloodlines to make a dog thats nothing more than a trend. I never said you didnt take care of your dogs, but you are doing nothing to help either breed in the long run.

Texas Wolves <carol@texaswolves.com> wrote: Hello concerned and angry,
I don't understand why you are so concerned and angry??
First of all, life is way too short to be so upset about my wolf dogs.
If you would do some research you would see that breeding wolf dogs is very common place and accepted.
My animals are well cared for and loved and since you don't have a clue about me or what I'm about, I suggest that you find something worthwhile to be upset about!
By the way, I guess making silly comments on my website is responsible.
Get a life.
Carol
----- Original Message -----
From: Nedim Alivodic
To: carol@texaswolves.com
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 5:15 PM
Subject: concerned and angry


Hi, I stumbled upon your site while looking for wolf pics. I noticed that youre breeding mutts? Whats all that about? What responsible breeder would ever purposely cross-breed? I think what youre doing is very irresponsible.


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[bubbatd]

There will be no win for any of us here , unfortunatley . People who breed this way are only in it for either money or for their own ego. It'sad !

[panzer426]

my opinion is it is not the purposefull breeding of these animals that is a problem. you want a wolf dog? fine, do tons and tons of research and if you still think its a good idea then get one.
my problem with them is (well actually i have a few)...#1: most wolf dog breeders know little to nothing about wolves and/or wolf dogs. for one thing if they call themselves wolf hybrid breeders they know squat because hybrid implies 2 seperate species, wolves and dogs are same species different sub species.
#2: most of them dont actually have wolf dogs, they just have wolfish looking dogs. they may be pure malamute, husky or german shepherd or they may be a mix of any/all of those, or they may have any number of other breeds mixed in.
#3: most keep their animals in terrible conditions just like a puppy mill and breed them at every heat cycle.
#4: only a small few wolf dog breeders have a waiting list and refuse to breed until they have more names on the list than the average litter produces.
#5: very very few offer a health/temperament garauntee. most of the few who do only offer it for 6 months. (a few do offer 3 year lifetime that I know of, and I know of 1 who offers a lifetime garauntee...any health or temperament problem and you get back triple what you paid for the puppy plus free pick of litter, dont like one in the available litter? wait until the next breeding which may be 3 years or more and get pick of that one).
#6: very few do any type of screening on potential owners. wolf dogs are different from dogs and have different requirements.
#7: many claim to have sub species of wolf which dont actually exist. mackenzie valley wolf? okay, that actually used to be a sub species but the 20+ sub species of wolves once recognized in north america have been consolidated down to about half a dozen. some claim to have buffalo wolf in them, never existed. some claim to have arctic wolf in them, very very few arctic wolves exist in captivity outside of zoos and bio-parks, they are almsot always white gsd's or huskies rather than arctic wolf. some even claim to have rare black wolf in them, not a sub species at all...its just a color (like black gsd's, blue dobermans etc).
a truly reputable wolf dog breeder will be charging between $300-$750 for a puppy no matter what the wolf content (1% wolf or 99% wolf) because a 99% wolf dog can look and act like a 100% dog. they will have a waiting list and only breed each female once every two years (or less often). they will offer a health and temperament garauntee for atleast 2 years (wolf dogs are just as susceptabel to hip/elbow displasia and other problems as other large breeds). they will ask you a lot of questions and want a vet reference and will want to speak (on the phone or in person) with atleast your 2 closest (proximity) neighbors. they will want to meet every member of your household and possibly even friends who visit frequently. they will want to see your house and will tell you what aspects of your home do and do not meet their requirements (tall enough fence, large enough yard, does the fence continue atleast 2 feet below ground etc). and they will not have puppies available right now, they may have puppies right now but they wont be available because homes have been waiting for them for quite some time. they will also want follow up contact and want your vet to contact them with vaccination updates and let them know about any health concrens.
I should have said "require" rather than want because if you dont meet any of those requirements they wont give you one of their puppies. it sounds like a lot of work, it sounds really hard and time consuming, it sounds really invasive. but a good wolf dog breeder requires more than most good dog breeders because most wolf dogs require more from their owners than most dogs do.
there are plenty of wolf dog rescue groups out there as well.