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bubbatd
11-04-2005, 12:50 PM
The noon news just said that the Puggle is the number one big hit in New York ! Top "breeder" sells pups at $650 to $900 depending on size...the smaller it is, the more expensive. :mad:
azcowgirl
11-04-2005, 01:54 PM
whats a puggle?
yuckaduck
11-04-2005, 01:59 PM
whats a puggle?
It is a mutt [beagle/pug] that backyard breeders who want to make a fast buck breed.
They had a big thing on this morning on Today about Puggles. I have sent them an email on there report. I let them know exactly how disappointed I was in there reporting skills and them encouraging people to purchase glorified mutts rather then going to a shelter.
Here is a link about it including the email to send off letters too if you don't approve.
http://www.globalpaw.com/showthread.php?t=9494&page=1&pp=15
I hope this does not bring the puggle breeder back to attack us here. :p
showpug
11-04-2005, 02:05 PM
Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek!!!!! I am so disgusted, don't get me started!!!!! I just can't stand what people are doing to the pug breed *sigh* :mad: :mad:
Renee750il
11-04-2005, 02:12 PM
The "Today" show ran a segment on Puggles this morning :mad: BUT, Matt Lauer made some comments about hoping this new fad wouldn't keep people from adopting the mixed breeds in shelters and also commented on "dogs as fashion accessories." :)
bubbatd
11-04-2005, 02:32 PM
I'm glad you feel as I do. Please, if there are any Puggle owners here or lurking, please enter and state your side of the story. I'm hoping everyone will be civil and polite. Otherwise, I'll lock the link. This will only be for the interest of 2 sides of the story.
showpug
11-04-2005, 02:44 PM
My boss told me a couple of days ago that his brother just got a puggle. He was all smiles about it and when he walked away I had to roll the eyes. Don't worry, I did throw my opinion in there as well... ;)
yuckaduck
11-04-2005, 03:03 PM
My boss told me a couple of days ago that his brother just got a puggle. He was all smiles about it and when he walked away I had to roll the eyes. Don't worry, I did throw my opinion in there as well... ;)
Good for throwing in your opinion.
Look at your beautiful pug in your siggy. Imagine breeding that with a beagle. UG!
Leave the purebreeds alone, stop tampering with the best we can offer. I love the gsd breed and there is an idiot here in town that breeds shepoodles. Ugly little shits they are and already he has had health complaints about them.
nedim
11-04-2005, 03:37 PM
Why hasnt anyone passed a law about the breeding of dogs, or any animal for that matter? There should be strict requirements that need to be met before someone decides to start breeding. Breeding mutts purposely is a travesty and someone needs to put their foot down and do something about it. If there were strict laws and tests that needed to be met in order to breed, I doubt we would have such an enormous over-population issue. Pitbulls and other bully-breeds would have a fairer shot at life and would not be stereotyped as often if both the breeder and owner had to be qualified to own a dog.
rottiegirl
11-04-2005, 04:37 PM
Why hasnt anyone passed a law about the breeding of dogs, or any animal for that matter? There should be strict requirements that need to be met before someone decides to start breeding. Breeding mutts purposely is a travesty and someone needs to put their foot down and do something about it. If there were strict laws and tests that needed to be met in order to breed, I doubt we would have such an enormous over-population issue. Pitbulls and other bully-breeds would have a fairer shot at life and would not be stereotyped as often if both the breeder and owner had to be qualified to own a dog. Exactly! It makes me so mad to see people breeding mutts, it is discusting.
Bowowee
11-04-2005, 04:54 PM
Almost all of the purebreeds we have today are products of crossbreeding or mixing different species of dogs. Dobs, bull mastiffs, pekingese, pugs, etc. I don't see the difference. Our ancestors had the opportunity to breed the kind of dogs they want. Why can't we have ours? Hey, lets look at the bright side here. Maybe the puggle doesn't suffer as much from respiratory problems as much as pure pugs do. I guess dog breeding still has a long way to go and will evolve more as time goes by.
yuckaduck
11-04-2005, 05:07 PM
With all the mutts in the shelters, I really get very angry at these money grabbing people breeding more.
Sirius
11-04-2005, 05:11 PM
Ugh, showpug, I agree with you. My friend has 2 pugs, and they are such wonderful doggies. They aren't show dogs like yours, they are pets. I would consider getting one when I am older as they are a really cool breed that I would love to have one day.
Honestly, I think that it is disgusting what these breeders do.
Puggles. What kind of name is that?! ;)
A few pictures of ringo and buster:
(Ringo is the chubby one. :D)
(Buster is the one that is kissing Ringo.)
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b61/Harley-Davidson/RingoBuster.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b61/Harley-Davidson/RingoBuster2.jpg
showpug
11-04-2005, 05:29 PM
Ugh, showpug, I agree with you. My friend has 2 pugs, and they are such wonderful doggies. They aren't show dogs like yours, they are pets. I would consider getting one when I am older as they are a really cool breed that I would love to have one day.
Honestly, I think that it is disgusting what these breeders do.
Puggles. What kind of name is that?! ;)
A few pictures of ringo and buster:
(Ringo is the chubby one. :D)
(Buster is the one that is kissing Ringo.)
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b61/Harley-Davidson/RingoBuster.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b61/Harley-Davidson/RingoBuster2.jpg
Oh Sirius, they are such little lovers!!! Sorry, that is what I call all pugs. My husband and I have two pet pugs. One of them is my first pug and she's back-yard bred and out of the the local paper (got her before I knew anything about responsible breeding) and the other is my male who was a rescue. Both taught me what a true friend is and they have only enhanced my obsession with the breed. The hardest thing for me is to see pugs in rescue because I know how much their heart needs to be with someone who loves them. It looks like your friends pugs are very lucky. Pugs are an incredible breed that truly entertains and loves their owner. I like to say - someday I will get a dog, but for now I have pugs...
Anyway, take care and go hug those pugs for me!
showpug
11-04-2005, 05:31 PM
Almost all of the purebreeds we have today are products of crossbreeding or mixing different species of dogs. Dobs, bull mastiffs, pekingese, pugs, etc. I don't see the difference. Our ancestors had the opportunity to breed the kind of dogs they want. Why can't we have ours? Hey, lets look at the bright side here. Maybe the puggle doesn't suffer as much from respiratory problems as much as pure pugs do. I guess dog breeding still has a long way to go and will evolve more as time goes by.
Actually...pugs aren't much of a mix at all. They are one of the most ancient breeds on earth dating back to around 400b.c.
Bowowee
11-04-2005, 05:38 PM
Actually...pugs aren't much of a mix at all. They are one of the most ancient breeds on earth dating back to around 400b.c.
Well, we can't be too sure about that. There are not enough records to enlighten us on this. The chinese have been breeding pugs, shih tzus, lhasa apsos, sharpeis, and pekingese for quite a long time. Believe me, they love altering stuff...
And they didn't make them by throwing two breeds together. If they did I would be able to mix two dogs and get a shar pei,I'd like to see that. You don;t start a breed by mixing two dogs.
I think puggles are one of the worst combos. Every one I have seen has a health problem,mostly not being able to breathe while they are trying to track soemthing. Its sad. One has a back problem now that the vet said is common in them from two dogs just being thrown together.
showpug
11-04-2005, 05:52 PM
Well, we can't be too sure about that. There are not enough records to enlighten us on this. The chinese have been breeding pugs, shih tzus, lhasa apsos, sharpeis, and pekingese for quite a long time. Believe me, they love altering stuff...
Actually...I can be pretty sure about that after researching the breed for many, many years, showing them and working closely with many mentors and breed experts. The pug they had back in 400 b.c. is of course going to look different then the pugs we have today that's just what modern breeding and evolution will do. But please, find me a source that says a pug is a result of breeding this and that with each other. The original pug was fawn in color and originated in China. They were considered good luck charms. Later they regained popularity in England and that is where the black pug was born. They really are one of the purest breeds on earth.
Mordy
11-04-2005, 06:20 PM
Why hasnt anyone passed a law about the breeding of dogs, or any animal for that matter? There should be strict requirements that need to be met before someone decides to start breeding. Breeding mutts purposely is a travesty and someone needs to put their foot down and do something about it. If there were strict laws and tests that needed to be met in order to breed, I doubt we would have such an enormous over-population issue. Pitbulls and other bully-breeds would have a fairer shot at life and would not be stereotyped as often if both the breeder and owner had to be qualified to own a dog.
nedim, breed clubs take much greater responsibility in many other countries, but here in the US, too many people think it would interfere with their personal "freedom".
in germany for example, if a particular dog doesn't pass the strict requirements in regards to conformation, working ability and temperament (breed survey aka "koerung", i'm talking about the breeds i'm personally familiar with) they get a stamp in their predigree that says "no breeding permit" and if such dogs are bred anyway, the offspring is not eligible for registration.
sure, some unscrupulous people disregard that too, but generally you don't have back yard breeding on such an appaling scale going on. there are also very few pet shops that sell puppies, so people generally buy from registered breeders or adopt from shelters and rescues.
Mordy
11-04-2005, 06:25 PM
Almost all of the purebreeds we have today are products of crossbreeding or mixing different species of dogs. Dobs, bull mastiffs, pekingese, pugs, etc. I don't see the difference. Our ancestors had the opportunity to breed the kind of dogs they want. Why can't we have ours? Hey, lets look at the bright side here. Maybe the puggle doesn't suffer as much from respiratory problems as much as pure pugs do. I guess dog breeding still has a long way to go and will evolve more as time goes by.
in the past, breeds were developed with special care to be able to do certain types of work. the people who developed them put great care into their breeding programs and didn't just willy-nilly breed F1 hybrids for a quick profit.
personally i don't understand why anyone would ever want a puggle instead of a well bred pug. the beagle side just adds the desire to run and track and hound dog independence - which isn't exactly desirable for pet dog owners, since they generally expect an animal that is easily trained and reliable off leash. it's just stupid all around.
yuckaduck
11-04-2005, 06:41 PM
This is the morning report from Today for anyone who missed it.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032633?ta=y
you may see why I am so outraged and why I sent an email off to them right away in absolutel discust.
femke
11-04-2005, 08:34 PM
I think that's absolutely horrible! I have such a hard time at the dogpark when I ask people what kind their dog is and they say it's a " goldendoodle" etc... yeah right... I think to myself, a mutt is what it is. Not that I have a problem with mutts! not at all, have had many myself and loved them to death don't get me wrong! but I just don't think it's right to take two purebreds mix them and then act like their pups are a " new breed"
Penny's best friend is a " Puggle" but his owners got him from the shelter! And when asked what kind their dog is they always reply that it's a mix between a pug and a beagle. His name is bugsy lol, he's really cute but I just dont' think it's right to breed them for the sake of it...
yuckaduck
11-04-2005, 08:38 PM
I think that's absolutely horrible! I have such a hard time at the dogpark when I ask people what kind their dog is and they say it's a " goldendoodle" etc... yeah right... I think to myself, a mutt is what it is. Not that I have a problem with mutts! not at all, have had many myself and loved them to death don't get me wrong! but I just don't think it's right to take two purebreds mix them and then act like their pups are a " new breed"
Penny's best friend is a " Puggle" but his owners got him from the shelter! And when asked what kind their dog is they always reply that it's a mix between a pug and a beagle. His name is bugsy lol, he's really cute but I just dont' think it's right to breed them for the sake of it...
At least your friend speaks the truth it is a mix between a pug and a beagle. To call it anything else is a lie.
bubbatd
11-04-2005, 09:14 PM
Thankfully, most of us agree this is wrong. But, as much as I don't agree with most of Bow's post, I do agree that if had not been for Lord Tweedmouth ( 1865 ) I would not have had my beloved Golden Retrievers. Had the Puggle gone this way , fine. But, I think MOST of these " new" breeds have been from BYBs ....I feel none of these " breeds" should be recognized until at least 50 years of careful breeding.
Sirius
11-04-2005, 09:32 PM
This is the morning report from Today for anyone who missed it.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032633?ta=y
you may see why I am so outraged and why I sent an email off to them right away in absolutel discust.
Oh my goodness!!! These people are telling you to get a 'puggle'. What loooosers.
filarotten
11-04-2005, 09:33 PM
Well, I have to say I am not impressed with the fad, designer dogs. I prefer the proven track record dogs. I have the rare breed, the normal breed and the mixed breed. Not the designer breed. While I do enjoy designer clothes, I don't enjoy designer breeds. What happens when the fad ends? Will they end up in shelters? I agree with Bubbatd, fifty years down the road, if they still exist, give them credit for being a breed. For the next 49 years work out the kinks. I am sure it will take that long to undue the kinks the bybs have done. Why pay that much money for a mixed breed? I don't get it!!!!!
frenchboxer
11-05-2005, 04:13 AM
nedim, breed clubs take much greater responsibility in many other countries, but here in the US, too many people think it would interfere with their personal "freedom".
in germany for example, if a particular dog doesn't pass the strict requirements in regards to conformation, working ability and temperament (breed survey aka "koerung", i'm talking about the breeds i'm personally familiar with) they get a stamp in their predigree that says "no breeding permit" and if such dogs are bred anyway, the offspring is not eligible for registration.
sure, some unscrupulous people disregard that too, but generally you don't have back yard breeding on such an appaling scale going on. there are also very few pet shops that sell puppies, so people generally buy from registered breeders or adopt from shelters and rescues.
Mordy you are SO right in what you say. There are much stricter rules in force, certainly in Western Europe. In my 8 years of living here I have NEVER EVER seen a dog for sale in a pet shop - it wouldn't even be debateable. Many years ago I wanted to buy my daughter 2 hamsters, and the seller would only let me buy them if I bought a certain sized cage for them - and I agree with his thinking.
Mindy Miller
11-07-2005, 03:35 PM
This is away from puggle, but what do you guys think of labradoodles? I've read that they were bred to be seeing eye dogs for people with allergies. There is a breeder in California: http://www.heartsonglabradoodles.com/ see "statement of ethics." And they seem to not be in it for the money, but really are in it to produce a new breed of dog, for a reason. Could it be that not all of these mixed breeds are bad? (I do agree that the puggle thing is outrageous, along with other irresponsible breeders. Especially the ones who make them smaller and smaller and smaller. Soo many horrible health problems)
yuckaduck
11-07-2005, 03:46 PM
Sorry I see no purpose the labradoodle preforms that a lab or a poodle purebred could not fulfill. It is a designer mutt, and why would they not carry the same mutt health deficiancy's that a lab or poodle carry. They are those paticular dogs breed together to create a designer breed.
I am totally against these types of breeders. It is for the money, she is breeding and claiming perfect health........I did not see any mention of what health tests she preforms though. Personally I would say stick with the purebreds or go to a shelter. Stay away from the designer mutts with outrageous price tags.
juliefurry
11-07-2005, 04:32 PM
This is away from puggle, but what do you guys think of labradoodles? I've read that they were bred to be seeing eye dogs for people with allergies. There is a breeder in California: http://www.heartsonglabradoodles.com/ see "statement of ethics." And they seem to not be in it for the money, but really are in it to produce a new breed of dog, for a reason. Could it be that not all of these mixed breeds are bad? (I do agree that the puggle thing is outrageous, along with other irresponsible breeders. Especially the ones who make them smaller and smaller and smaller. Soo many horrible health problems)
that was originally the purpose of the labradoodle I believe. I haven't seen or heard of any in the field yet though. Breeding for a reason like that I can see as understandable. They are working to provide a service dog for someone who could not have a labrador or retriever because of allergies. I do not think that these dogs should really be bred as high-priced mutts though. These dogs should be given away when bred not sold for three times the amount of a purebreed.
Lexus
11-07-2005, 04:34 PM
I have to agree with the whole general feeling on this issue of breeding mutts. Or breeding away from a standard as a whole of any breed, same difference really, all for money, all for profit.. I think all for selfishness pretty much sums it up.
Hey does a pug/fox terrier have a "designer name" My neighbors got one about 3 years ago, paid $900 for it. They bragged and promoted the "breed", and were so proud of what they spent their money on.
showpug
11-07-2005, 04:45 PM
I have to agree with the whole general feeling on this issue of breeding mutts. Or breeding away from a standard as a whole of any breed, same difference really, all for money, all for profit.. I think all for selfishness pretty much sums it up.
Hey does a pug/fox terrier have a "designer name" My neighbors got one about 3 years ago, paid $900 for it. They bragged and promoted the "breed", and were so proud of what they spent their money on.
How about the time that my friend (who happens to be a vet and shows bullmastiffs) ran into a lady walking an interesting looking mix. She asked what type of dog it was and the lady replied "it's a bug." That would be a pug x bulldog cross. She then proceded to tell her how it's a new breed that was just accepted into the AKC...roflmao!!!!!!:rolleyes: Needless to say that poor woman was fed a line of crap and who knows what she paid for the mix!
I ran into a lady at the dog park this morning that had a new labradoodle puppy. Adorable of course, but when I asked where she got it from and she named off one of the local pet stores, I had to bite my tongue and walk away. She could have picked up the same dog for much cheaper at one of the myriad shelters around here.
I fully agree with everything that has been said so far. The "puggle" does not appear to be one of those breeds that any intelligent, rationale thought has been applied to before breeding. They took two cute dogs, and applied a cute name to it and started feeding line after line of BS to those who are naive enough to fall for it.
Does anyone think that puggles look like little Boxers?
It's wrong for backyard breeders to breed purebred dogs for a quick buck, let alone "designer" breeds. People have to stop taiing the bait. :(
Ash47
11-08-2005, 01:31 AM
I was in a petstore the other night. The first time since I have been old enough to know that what they promote is wrong.
Anyway, they had Chis, Bostons, Crresteds, Dobes, Shih-Tzus, etc. The Chis were $699!!! I almost started laughing in their face when they said that. They also had Peke-a-Poos. I was thinking, "And people really fall for it..."
They had Presian cats that were so sickly, it was pathetic.
But anyway, I do not agree with cross-breeding and think that pure-bred breeding should be kept to the lowest minimum possible. And left to responsible breeders.
There will always be mutts. They will never be obsolete. There are too many strays running around mating. There isn't really anything we can do about that, but when we can spay/neuter the ones that need to be, we should jump on the chance.
GlassOnion
11-08-2005, 02:09 AM
Alright since no one else has taken the liberty (though I admit I skipped a page, it seemed to be repeating the same stuff over and over again) I'll play devil's advocate.
What's wrong with breaking away from traditional breeds? How are need breeds supposed to be created if we keep breeding the same animals over and over and over again?
After all, all the breeds we have today had to come from two other breeds crossed. I doubt there's but a handful of natural breeds that occurred way back when dogs were first domesticated.
It's like colors. They all come from the basic red blue and yellow (it is yellow right?).
You can create any color from different combinations of those colors and different combinations of the other colors.
An AmStaff wasn't created as an AmStaff, it was dog A and B who were bred together and then someone went "hey, I like that dog".
More of that dog was created, they then started breeding those dogs to each other (actually the initial offsprings were probably inbred to increase homozygosity in future generations to keep the genes specific to that 'breed').
So I don't see what the big deal is. If people want to pay for 'mutts' let them. If people want to create their own breed, let them. You don't have to buy them, nor breed them.
The only problem this creates is if people just went "hey, let's breed a bunch of dogs together and see what we get" but then can't find owners for the dogs.
However, in the case of puggles, that doesn't seem to be happening.
Dizzy
11-08-2005, 05:02 AM
Almost all of the purebreeds we have today are products of crossbreeding or mixing different species of dogs. Dobs, bull mastiffs, pekingese, pugs, etc. I don't see the difference. Our ancestors had the opportunity to breed the kind of dogs they want. Why can't we have ours? Hey, lets look at the bright side here. Maybe the puggle doesn't suffer as much from respiratory problems as much as pure pugs do. I guess dog breeding still has a long way to go and will evolve more as time goes by.
Agreed
Dizzy
11-08-2005, 05:09 AM
Actually...I can be pretty sure about that after researching the breed for many, many years, showing them and working closely with many mentors and breed experts. The pug they had back in 400 b.c. is of course going to look different then the pugs we have today that's just what modern breeding and evolution will do. But please, find me a source that says a pug is a result of breeding this and that with each other. The original pug was fawn in color and originated in China. They were considered good luck charms. Later they regained popularity in England and that is where the black pug was born. They really are one of the purest breeds on earth.
Ok, so you're telling me that way back in 400bc, a pug just materialised from thin air?
Also, if it originated so long ago, surely it must now be one of THE most INBRED dogs around? Unless new pugs have been materialised?
Don't get me wrong, I think they are lovely dogs (I would like them better if the poor blighters could breathe a bit better).
The labradoodle project was a failure and the service dog places stopped breeding for them. they still occasionally mix dogs but it is usually goldens and labs and every one of those dogs has a home lined up weather it works as a service dog or not.
Dizzy, breeds have been around a long time. They did not just materialize but they were bred with many diffrent breeds and they bred true,not one breed to another. It takes a lng time to develop a breed. And while the labradoodle was started with the best intentions it was a failed project and now people that sell them try to push it as a good thing. Its bull. And have you ever met a puggle,all they want to do is run,because of the beagle in them,yet they can't because they fall over and pass out cuz they can't breathe. Anyone that would think breeding those two breeds together is nutts!
Gempress
11-08-2005, 10:25 AM
Breeds take many years to develop and fine-tune before they can be considered an actual breed. Those who develop new breeds devote their lives to the cause, and take the utmost care in doing so.
The problem I have with puggles is that they were basically unheard of three years ago. Then someone crossed a pug and beagle, decided it was cute, then started breeding them like crazy and charging premium prices. Now they're everywhere. To me, that's not a person trying to make a legitimate breed. That's people trying to make a fast buck off of a fad.
gaddylovesdogs
11-08-2005, 01:39 PM
The "Today" show ran a segment on Puggles this morning :mad: BUT, Matt Lauer made some comments about hoping this new fad wouldn't keep people from adopting the mixed breeds in shelters and also commented on "dogs as fashion accessories." :)
I saw the end of that, where there was one of the women holding a puppy. When they said "puggle" I freaked....I missed the segment and hope to find what they said on their website...:mad:
Mindy Miller
11-08-2005, 02:23 PM
The labradoodle project was a failure and the service dog places stopped breeding for them. they still occasionally mix dogs but it is usually goldens and labs and every one of those dogs has a home lined up weather it works as a service dog or not.
I hadn't realized that. I learn something every day from this forum! :)
casablanca1
11-08-2005, 03:24 PM
nedim, breed clubs take much greater responsibility in many other countries, but here in the US, too many people think it would interfere with their personal "freedom".in germany for example, if a particular dog doesn't pass the strict requirements in regards to conformation, working ability and temperament (breed survey aka "koerung", i'm talking about the breeds i'm personally familiar with) they get a stamp in their predigree that says "no breeding permit" and if such dogs are bred anyway, the offspring is not eligible for registration.
While I agree with your point, I think it's odd that you're responding in this way to nedim, who mentions in passing that "Pitbulls and other bully-breeds would have a fairer shot at life and would not be stereotyped as often if both the breeder and owner had to be qualified to own a dog." Other nations' emphasis on societal responsibility over individual freedoms has led several to limit or eliminate the ownership of certain dog breeds, particularly the pit bulls.
ewyourpoor
11-10-2005, 08:13 PM
i dont understand, whats the problem with breeding mixed breed dogs?
how is it any different than breeding a show dog? if its done by a real breeder and not a backyard breeder then isnt that the same as breeding any other dog?
it is a rip off for a mutt but they are very cute. and isnt this the way to start new breeds? didnt all breeds start out by mixing?
if its done properly and not in an inhumane manner then i dont see an issue.
when i got my puppy beagle i had a male unaltered pekingese, we often wondered what the puppies would come out like. i had her fixed since we wouldnt know what to do with the puppies, but i bet they would have been darn cute
if someone is going to pay that much for a puppy most likely that pup will be in the best home and very well loved and taken care of. isnt that all that matters?
yuckaduck
11-10-2005, 08:30 PM
Anyoen who breeds mutts is a backyard breeder! You cannot be a byb and a good breeder at the same time.
ewyourpoor
11-10-2005, 08:40 PM
so if i bred my pekingese with my beagle that would have made me a backyard breeder? lol i dont think so
im sure some of them are bred in loving homes. any breeder breeds for profit other wise they would give the pups away for free. good breeder or bad their both making money off of it
Babyblue5290
11-10-2005, 08:46 PM
so if i bred my pekingese with my beagle that would have made me a backyard breeder? lol i dont think so
im sure some of them are bred in loving homes. any breeder breeds for profit other wise they would give the pups away for free. good breeder or bad their both making money off of it
After all the tests and money good breeders put into their pups, they are lucky to break even and (correct me if I'm wrong) often end with less than they had before. They are good breeders because they make sure they do EVERYTHING they can to insure their pups are healthy and go to responsible people. Unlike backyard breeders who (despite possibly caring for their dogs) don't do all the tests.
yuckaduck
11-10-2005, 10:18 PM
There is no money if you breed dogs properly. You are very lucky to break even if that. Usually a breeder only tries to cover some costs. They breed for the love of the breed and to improve the breed. Mutt breeders breed for money nothing else. They have no way of improving the breed because mutts cannot be showen or anything like that. So how do you prove that your dog is worthy to be breed? THen of course the temperment test, the health tests, x rays..........endless money going out. Most breeders have a full time job outside the home to jsut afford the breeding.
If someone truley wants a pet then why not go adopt from a shelter? WHy not save a life? Why bring more and more mutts into this world? THere are more then 800 registered breeds in the world today, you should have no problems finding a dog to suit your needs in one of those breeds. If not then you should not own a dog. Mutts should be rescued and giving a great life, not breed to create more.
loislane
11-11-2005, 08:59 AM
I saw the Puggle on the Ellen show yesterday. The lead actor in the new movie JarHead was on there with his puppy. He descibed it as a Beagle without the howl and a Pug without the breathing problems. On a better note, they also had an American Staffordshire Terrier on the show. It's owner was saying it could talk and had it saying "I love you" It was a cutie. I'm glad to see some shows portraying dogs as being loveable and sweet.
ewyourpoor
11-11-2005, 09:34 AM
i think this is going to be the new trend, breeding "mutts"
i came across a website that list mixed breed puppies and some of them look like a whole new breed. i found "mini" rottweilers, goldendoodles which is a mini golden retreiver, mini boxers...etc
these "mixed" dogs could definetely appear to be full breeds. face it were in need a some new breeds of dogs and how else is this going to happen? most pedigrees these days have been so over bred for the past 100 years that they are riddled with problems, even the best breeders pups can have something go wrong. we all heard that mutts are the strongest right? so whos to say that these new dogs will be any worse than the average mutt?
it is selective breeding, its no different than what went on 100 or more years ago on trying to get a cetain look or a certain trait.
the point is you dont know the breeders. just because they breed a mutt, which look at the pictures they dont look like mutts, doesnt mean that the dogs future will have health problems, which in fact id bet money on it that they are healthier than pedigrees.
as for dogs in shelters? its rare that you even find a puppy in a shelter and when you do they are really mutts, so mixed you can only guess whats in them. most of them came from people who didnt care about their dogs to be spayed and most likely the mother dog had no vet care while she was pregnant, could have been born in a garage for all we know.
i adopted a dog from a shelter, a 10 week old border collie mix. he was diagnosed with hip and elbow displasia when he was 6 months old. he was neurotic and a fear biter, and he had colitis. i adopted him from the aspca in nyc, one of the better shelters out there.
so in my opinion these mixed puppy breeders put more time in the pups and parents than anyone who will dump their puppies at a pound.
my pekingese cost $900 dollars, whis brother sold for $1200 dollars, your tying to tell me she didnt make a profit? come on