View Full Version : Eye Problems II
Whitedobelover
11-01-2005, 10:51 PM
Since others like to come to my thread and start their stuff.. I will post again where people can see what the doc said rather than their lies and crap...
The doc looked at Misty.... dont extensive testing... NO EYE PROBLEMS!!!! woohoo... im excited... the first thing she mentioned is well she isnt ALBINO... she has black pupils... which was awesome also... secondly she was only worried about the spot on her bottom eyelid, looks like a cysts... doesnt think it is cancerous but wants to be sure with a recheck on it in three months at her regular doc... wooho i was so excited about that too...
she has no vision problems has ONE HUNDRED percent of her vision... she said she probably has selective seeing because of what she has been through. so I am not to worried. said she does think that her photosensitivity will reduce now that she doesnt live in the sun all the time and bright light... so i am also excited about that... does say she may look alittle photosensitive but can see perfectly... no change in the texture of the iris or the cons and rods in the pupil area :D... which was great... that made me feel awesome... she said she has seen mainly problems in the reds, blues, fawns, and well so far she hasnt seen any in the whites and she has seen three or four of those... and that was also good news..
Now... this is a thread about Mistys vision testing to make it perfectly clear to those who said they knew about her didnt know much :D...
Whitedobelover
11-01-2005, 10:56 PM
here is a picture of her eye up close so you can see what do you guys think... do you think that it may be cancerous...???? it is pink???
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b378/PhantomsPrinceWilliam/eye.jpg
Lexus
11-02-2005, 08:17 AM
No one started any crap or told lies in your other thread.... but anyway back to the dog, that's good that her eyes are doing well. As for the photosensitivity, that is pretty common to whites, like your doc said though, it won't be too bad for her if she isn't made to endure the sunlight all the time. Just make sure her new owners are aware of her sensitivity issue. Hopefully the growth isn't cancerous, although once again, common to albinos, they don't have the protection in their skin that a fully pigmented dobe has, so it is always a possibility.
And remember, albino dobes do have pigment. So b/c her eyes have pigment she is tyrosinase. A type of albino.
Gallien Jacks
11-02-2005, 08:23 AM
I'm glad her eyes are fine, not sure about the spot though, its hard to tell but it looks like a mole does on us
SiberianMaster
11-02-2005, 02:28 PM
That's great that her eyes are fine:) I'm not sure about that spot. Did you have the vet look at it?
bubbatd
11-02-2005, 02:49 PM
One of my dogs had a wart-like thing...but it was more on the edge of eyelid. It's hard to tell with the lack of pigment. I would think that your DACVO would have more suggestions than your DVM.
poodlesmom
11-02-2005, 06:03 PM
Glad to hear you got good news! Will keep fingers crossed the spot is nothing to be concerned about!
doberkim
11-02-2005, 06:39 PM
One of my dogs had a wart-like thing...but it was more on the edge of eyelid. It's hard to tell with the lack of pigment. I would think that your DACVO would have more suggestions than your DVM.
agreed. wouldnt a board certified ophthalmologist who does your CERF exams have a lot more knowledge about eye problems, like growths on the eyelids, than a traditional DVM?
the DACVO at my school just did a constult for me yesterday, and she was able to look at a mass on the eye and tell me the most likely rule outs, why didnt yours?
yuckaduck
11-02-2005, 08:08 PM
Couple things
1] I believe a vets opinion-not albino
2]WDL-if you are personally offended by anyone then put them on ignore. That way they can still make their points and you can make yours but there are no hard feelings. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. Yes attacking the issue but there are no personal attacks on you.
3] Very glad Misty is doing well
4] I also think breeding a white is a bad idea, however that is my personal opinion and I have already stated that opinion. I will not continue to bash that opinion home. In the end it is not my dog and it is not my business.
I do think Prince is a very handsome boy though ;)
Whitedobelover
11-02-2005, 08:40 PM
well she did say she doesnt think it is anything... she said since it isnt touching the eye she wants to wait until a few months to see if it is going to grow then we will remove... thanks guys... and i agree yucka... :D hugs and well dvm is only allowed to measure it and then if it has grown we will worry about that later and do surgery to have it removed... just wanted to get your opinion on what it maybe or possibly... i am thinking a wart to... it isnt bothering her no rubbing or anything .... well thanks for the advice... she is doing great...
just learned to play fetch... and bring the ball back and then wait for me to throw it... :D woohoo she may have a home soon... two people are interested :D... we will see which is the best hehehe... i am going ot go there and visit and talk to their vet :D first woohoo
doberkim
11-02-2005, 08:47 PM
Couple things
1] I believe a vets opinion-not albino
so in 6 months when i am a vet, will you thereby also have to believe my opinion? :)
yuckaduck
11-02-2005, 08:54 PM
so in 6 months when i am a vet, will you thereby also have to believe my opinion? :)
If you do the research and study recent information put out, and are a licensed practicing vet---you bet I will be there to believe you.
Whitedobelover
11-02-2005, 09:00 PM
but you have to have the research behind you is what she is saying LOL and so far we are missing that :D
but i also guess yucka it would depend on if the person knew what they were doing and had the EXPERIENCE... anyone can get a license lol but it takes experience and research to know the truth lol just like me going to med school ican tell you what hairy tongue is and how it looks how you get it what the symptoms are and so on but unless i see one i will not entirely know the truth unfortunately that is how the world works lol
oh and yucka your opinion is really very valuable to me :D so dont you worry i am taking your opinion and hold ing it :D so dont worry because you have done the research and know the truth and well you follow peoples experiences instead of well never mind not getting into it right now :D hugs anyway yucka misty licks your chin and so does prince and tasneem
Chithedobe
11-02-2005, 09:41 PM
Still waiting for indisputable proof of this research. Can you provide one reputable source of information to back what you believe to be true? I came into these discussions months ago as a blank slate. Kim, Elle and others have been able to provide scientific evidence and fact to support their claims. I would truly appreciate it for you to do the same if you have the information. How else are people to make informed decisions if not through research?
Imagine a lever on a fulcrum. No weight on either end of the lever. That lever is the novice Dober owners brain when it comes to this debate. That novice owner (let's say me for example) will then divide the information presented onto opposite sides of the lever. The lever will then teeter-totter on the fulcrum and either balance - making the decision more of a judgement call: or one side will weigh more than the other, making the decision easier to make. Right now my lever is weighted heavily on the white dobes are albinos side. That "weight" is not based on my own personal opinion but on the facts that have been presented or I have found. I have taken Kim's and Elle's posts into consideration, I've studied the links provided by both of them and you and have done my own research on the matter. I have to say that the evidence provided by those who state the fact that whites are albinos is overwhelming compared to those who have opposing views.
I don't doubt that some vets or others in related fields "believe" that white is just another color. But what evidence do they have to counter the opposing claim? There is a big difference between "thinking" something and be able to prove it.
I'm not writing this in malice at all. I seriously want to know. What (if any) scientific evidence (not opinions) is there that states Whites are not Albinos?
doberkim
11-02-2005, 09:45 PM
If you do the research and study recent information put out, and are a licensed practicing vet---you bet I will be there to believe you.
so what difference does 6 months make? right now i can guarantee you, i have done more research on the current info than the vet elizabeth has seen (since most vets dont have much exposure to albino dobes anyway) - what difference does the piece of paper i get in 6 months make?
yuckaduck
11-02-2005, 09:53 PM
so what difference does 6 months make? right now i can guarantee you, i have done more research on the current info than the vet elizabeth has seen (since most vets dont have much exposure to albino dobes anyway) - what difference does the piece of paper i get in 6 months make?
It means you have passed. Anyone can talk about their opinions. I would never trust a vet who was not licensed. It means everything to me!
I have an open mind and I am willing to listen to anyone whether licensed or not. I have to tell you I have seen the proof that you provided, which is very old and the proof that Elizabeth provided which is much newer research. I tend to believe the most recent studies.
doberkim
11-02-2005, 10:01 PM
but you have to have the research behind you is what she is saying LOL and so far we are missing that :D
but i also guess yucka it would depend on if the person knew what they were doing and had the EXPERIENCE... anyone can get a license lol but it takes experience and research to know the truth lol just like me going to med school ican tell you what hairy tongue is and how it looks how you get it what the symptoms are and so on but unless i see one i will not entirely know the truth unfortunately that is how the world works lol
no offense elizabeth, but not everyone can get a license. veterinary school admissions are VERy stringent, and it takes a LOT to get in. we have a cute little saying here - REAL doctors treat more than once species :)
either way, no, not ANYONE can become a doctor - both veterinary and medical school are grueling tasks that require a lot of time, dedication, and devotion. if ANYONE could do it, a LOT more people would be. In fact, just the prerequisites alone scare most people off.
elizabeth, i thought you told me on this very board that lysa rector/seaman of phantom dobermans was not prince's breeder -
from this board:
http://www.chazhound.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13291&page=4&pp=10&highlight=phantom
you tell me not to speculate on prince's breeder being the author of the websites you provide us with as proof...
but now i am confused -
from your own personal board , in regards to the links you have given us in re: the "white doberman" debate...
" you want uptodate that is what lysa provided she has done months and months of research on these dogs and talked to many veterinarians to get this info...she doesnt breed dogs allt he time she isnt a byb... my boy is from her "
quite honestly, im not sure WHAT to believe out of what you tell us...
the truth isnt something we alter to our own convenience, and the truth isnt conditional as to whom you are speaking to. truth is truth. facts are facts.
(we will also ignore that you told someone else i know that your husband is a vet, when here you tell us he is in communications)
doberkim
11-02-2005, 10:04 PM
It means you have passed. Anyone can talk about their opinions. I would never trust a vet who was not licensed. It means everything to me!
I have an open mind and I am willing to listen to anyone whether licensed or not. I have to tell you I have seen the proof that you provided, which is very old and the proof that Elizabeth provided which is much newer research. I tend to believe the most recent studies.
elizabeth has not provided ANY research. she has provided us two personal websites of an albino breeder. not a single thing on there was research at all. it was opinion and trying to debunk OTHER research. lysa rector/seaman did no research of her own, she is not a scientist, she has not authored any papers.
many of us have provided numerous current links - as to partial albinism, ocular albinism, tyrosine positive albinism. in fact, i have not used the *DPCA* research for over 6 weeks as proof for my statements - my proof is coming from current scientific research and knowledge, not a personal opinion on a website. elle gave defininitions from CURRENT genetics textbooks as to what we currently use as the scientific definition of albinism.
Whitedobelover
11-02-2005, 10:13 PM
lol no it isnt albino breeder lol it is research from veterinarians and scientist put together by her lol just like you a student LOL so if you do a thesis on albinism we will say you arent licensed so you dont know yet you are given credit as knowing because why you did the research she has the research lol she knows what she is doing... and infact there is no such thing as PARTIAL albino lol either you are or you arent... and i gave CURRENT definitions over twenty times yet you still missed lol forget it... yucka knows the truth she doesnt need your trying to brainwash her lol yucka thanks...
you know i trust you... and i dont just trust any vet this vet has over 30 years experience rather than some child who doesnt know her head from her hole in the ground. i am very selective about people i believe... and i believe research, facts, and people that have experience not just well anyway... hugs yucka have a good evening it wont end it doesnt matter whether you knwo the truth if you say the sky is blue because some one told you she will argue that isnt true... when infact it is... though scientifically there are other reasons it is considered blue... but anyway long subject hehehe
doberkim
11-02-2005, 10:20 PM
avoidance, an elizabeth trait :)
at least you are consistent about SOMETHING!
Whitedobelover
11-02-2005, 10:22 PM
my boy is bred from a dog she co owns miss know it all... trying to twist words again lol... secondly now that we know who was on the site doing nasty things that well couldnt reveal her self lol let it be known lol well anyway let me tell you anyone that wants to can lol you just have to have the drive and intelligence unfortunately they do let some people in without either lol and and you know nothing of med school so please dont speak of it as if you know it lol because you dont know nothing about it lol so lets get that straight...
secondly facts are facts you cant dispute that lol and you know the facts... it is like with religion you believe what people tell you and only that because that is all you are told( not meaning you like you kim, i mean the world as a whole), unfortunately as i have said before it doesnt matter if i tell you the sky is gray/blue you will tell me it isnt... even if i tell you scientific proof... because you like to argue until you are blue in the face and that is okay.... as i said before you only come to chaz when i post a thread. lol that is amazing hehhehehe i think it is funny myself because you know what... do you think i or anyone in here cares how you feel lol or i feel it is highly not probable that they do... please kim get over it i wont listen to half century old facts lol that were done with no technology whatsoever lol... ill believe what is the facts that researchers and veterinarians in TODAYS world are saying. lol... believe my vet is an optomologist she has to know what she is doing new and old... unlike the dvm she knows more than you will ever know i am sure it is called EXPERIENCE , though you have none you think people should listen to someone that has no experience done no research except dpca research. lol well anyways back to misty. lol...
forget these people ill just put them on ignore it works great hehehe... hugs yucka
no offense elizabeth, but not everyone can get a license. veterinary school admissions are VERy stringent, and it takes a LOT to get in. we have a cute little saying here - REAL doctors treat more than once species :)
either way, no, not ANYONE can become a doctor - both veterinary and medical school are grueling tasks that require a lot of time, dedication, and devotion. if ANYONE could do it, a LOT more people would be. In fact, just the prerequisites alone scare most people off.
elizabeth, i thought you told me on this very board that lysa rector/seaman of phantom dobermans was not prince's breeder -
from this board:
http://www.chazhound.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13291&page=4&pp=10&highlight=phantom
you tell me not to speculate on prince's breeder being the author of the websites you provide us with as proof...
but now i am confused -
from your own personal board , in regards to the links you have given us in re: the "white doberman" debate...
" you want uptodate that is what lysa provided she has done months and months of research on these dogs and talked to many veterinarians to get this info...she doesnt breed dogs allt he time she isnt a byb... my boy is from her "
quite honestly, im not sure WHAT to believe out of what you tell us...
the truth isnt something we alter to our own convenience, and the truth isnt conditional as to whom you are speaking to. truth is truth. facts are facts.
(we will also ignore that you told someone else i know that your husband is a vet, when here you tell us he is in communications)
Whitedobelover
11-02-2005, 10:23 PM
doberkim you change it everytime... is it projection or avoidance... see you lie so much and change your mind so much no one knows what you are thinking or if you are coming or going... your mind is always somewhere it has no knowledge of lol
Whitedobelover don't attack the other members. You don't like it when they do it to you so please don't do it to them. Calling people 'miss know it alls' and liars is a personal attack.
The sources I have provided come from a text published by a respected academic publishing house (WH Freeman) in 2002. You aren't going to find many reliable newer sources than that, as it takes a fair amount of time for editing and such after a text is written.
The difference in the sources that elizabeth has provided and the sources I have provided is in the methods.
ANYONE can put up a website with statments about their research. NOT anyone can follow stringent protocols as determined by governing bodies to make sure that there is not bias in their research. To be published in a respected academic source (a textbook, a journal, etc) takes editing from multiple experts in the field, repetition of experiment to prove that results are not simply due to chance, statistical analysis to account for variations in sample size, etc...
So, it comes down to the fact that it *IS* thought, by top experts in the field of genetics, that there are multiple types of albinos and albinism is NOT always a complete lack of pigment.
It also comes down to the fact that there is NOT current research to prove that white dobermans are not albino. There is no test for the gene that produces white dobermans, as that gene has not been mapped yet.
So, the "old" research that elizabeth says does not hold up, is simply all we have right now.
So, until someone is willing to fund new SCIENTIFIC research, not just websites with opinions, those of us who want what is best for the breed must consider the fact that the white mutation HAS been associated with deleterious conditions (physical and behavioral). If you truly want what is best for the breed and thus for the animals, you must consider all sides of the issue. White may look beautiful, and there may be some great white dogs out there... but, if it could potentially lead to sickness or temperment problems, why perpetuate it right now?
I, for one, have experienced how hard it is to have poorly bred dogs -- dogs who suffer from inherited conditions that cut their lives too short... If I can prevent anyone from having to deal with the absolute heartache that comes from losing an otherwise healthy dog at a young age to a condition that could have been easily prevented if more thought had gone into the breeding and proper health testing had been done, I will do it.
In plain words, dogs already don't live long enough (especially dobermans who i think have an average lifespan of under 10 years) -- having them die even earlier due to things easily prevented by careful breeding just SUCKS. If I can use the knowledge I have gained to help educate and prevent even one person from having to go through this, I will speak up. If there is a chance that white can lead to a higher incidence of cancer or other things that can knock years off a dogs life, why take the risk and breed them?
Would anyone here trade having a healthy dog that is with you for a good long time for having a more "beautiful" dog (or a dog that looks the way you like better) that is with you for less time?
To me, it's just not worth the risk.
doberkim
11-02-2005, 10:31 PM
elizabeth, i cant even follow your statements because they aren't complete sentences and the spelling/grammar is atrocious. i didnt twist a single WORD elizabeth, i copied YOUR WORDS directly.
they are actually oPHTHALmologists. if you need proof of this spelling (insert correctly used LOL), please reference the ACVO page here:
http://www.acvo.com/
other than that, liz, i haven't seen ANYWHERE that i change my mind. i wouldn't say i am the one projecting. i have taken a position and stood by it, i have not told any lies, and i have not run circles around the truth. i have answered questions asked of me directly, i have been truthful as to my education and background, i have not created any reason for people to doubt me. i have not been deceptive about the origin of my dog when asked, i have not made accusations of others that are outlandish, i have not called people names. i have not kept my head in the sand and dodged the questions i receive from other people, and i have been able to provide scientific backing to anything i have said. if i have been wrong, i have accepted it and made note of the information so that i can make sure i remember it. i have welcomed others to provide me with information if the facts that i am using are false, and have welcomed others to join me in the search for knowledge based on scientific proof. i have not resorted to vulgarities in my conversations, and i have not been banned from board after board for my actions.
i wish the same could be said for others.
doberkim
11-02-2005, 10:40 PM
I, for one, have experienced how hard it is to have poorly bred dogs -- dogs who suffer from inherited conditions that cut their lives too short... If I can prevent anyone from having to deal with the absolute heartache that comes from losing an otherwise healthy dog at a young age to a condition that could have been easily prevented if more thought had gone into the breeding and proper health testing had been done, I will do it.
amen. you tell me that albino dobermans won't get cancer, IVDD/CVI, or DCM, and will live to be 12-14 years old on average, i will be first in line to get one.
fact is, the (now defunct?) white doberman club of america had an even LOWER age for their dog to qualify for a longevity award than the DPCA had- why is that? why does the DPCA qualify a dog at 10 years old, but the white doberman club (you can archive their website that has since been taking down - www.whitedobermanclub.org) use 7 years old?
-mark this one as coming from someone living with three genetically inherited diseases that occur in the doberman world, and someone who wouldn't wish that on ANYONE.
bubbatd
11-02-2005, 11:17 PM
Sigh !!!!
Whitedobelover
11-02-2005, 11:22 PM
Snowballs Chance in Hail
Owned by: Michele A. Pazzelli
reg #: WP491021/07
Date of Birth: June 16, 1993
sire: Beaver CK Snowball
dam: Beaver CK Phantom BK Shebah
IM Sno Angel
owner: Michele A. Pazzelli
reg #: WP343302/01
Date of Birth: April 25, 1991
Sire: Lornich's Roaring Avalanche
Dam: Hell's White Angel
Krystal Palace's Cameo 9/26/92-1/27/00
Phantom's Ragtime Solo 12/23-92-
Phantom's Starlight, CGC,TT 8/3/93-
Phantom's With Upon A Star, CGC 8/3/93-
Iceman's Renegade Warrior 8/3/93-
Phantom's Southern Belle, CGC 7/13/94-
Phantom's Duetchmark 7/13/94-
Phantom's Ivory and Pearls 7/27/94-
Phantom's Ragtime White, CGC, TT 7/27/94-
Phantom's Scrimshaw,CGC, CHS 7/27/94-
Phantom's Silhouette 7/27/94-
Phantom's Prodigy,CGC,TT,BH 1/31/95
Victorian Silver of Camelot
Gender: male
Color: white
DOB: 02-01-94
Breeder: Susan Yawn
Owner: Jim Smith
Owned by: Ann & Vic Reeder
reg #:
Date of Birth: 16 years in 2004
Selena's Lexus of Aurora, CGC
WZ000429/08
DOB 9/15/97
isnt that longevity LOL not all are white some are white factored but the first one i know is white there is a picture oh wait let me get that picture :D
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b378/PhantomsPrinceWilliam/snowballschanceinhail.jpg
necterine0
11-02-2005, 11:22 PM
doberkim did you get your doberman from Lysa Rector/ Seaman?
Whitedobelover
11-02-2005, 11:24 PM
see that is why i was leaving is because that is all they do to me... is call me a liar yet they can get away with it see what i mean LOL... it is like not only do they attack me... you say that i am doing it when she has lied done nothing but lied... and then sets tehre and calls me a liar and gets away with it LOL go figure forget it... it seems it doesnt seem to be well worth it because they will never learn and peopple just run their mouths easily
Whitedobelover don't attack the other members. You don't like it when they do it to you so please don't do it to them. Calling people 'miss know it alls' and liars is a personal attack.
Whitedobelover
11-02-2005, 11:24 PM
no doberkim didnt lol why?
see that is why i was leaving is because that is all they do to me... is call me a liar yet they can get away with it see what i mean LOL... it is like not only do they attack me... you say that i am doing it when she has lied done nothing but lied... and then sets tehre and calls me a liar and gets away with it LOL go figure forget it... it seems it doesnt seem to be well worth it because they will never learn and peopple just run their mouths easily
Just because they don't agree with you doesn't mean they are 'running their mouths' or calling you a liar. Where did they call you a liar? Show me please and I'll deal with it.
Whitedobelover
11-02-2005, 11:37 PM
she straight out called me a liar and i have her on ignore so i cant go look at the threads lol she has called me a liar numerous times
Whitedobelover
11-02-2005, 11:44 PM
just ask her she will tell you that i am a liar and that she said it lol because there are many times on the other eye problems thread... the white doberman thread... rescue dobergirl thread
and more
I did a search of "liar" and "lying" and the only relevant posts in the last two months were yours. :/
Chithedobe
11-02-2005, 11:57 PM
she straight out called me a liar and i have her on ignore so i cant go look at the threads lol she has called me a liar numerous times
I'm sorry, but I have to ask... If you have her on ignore and can't read her posts, how do you know she's calling you a liar? How can you respond to her?
I'm sorry, but I have to ask... If you have her on ignore and can't read her posts, how do you know she's calling you a liar? How can you respond to her?
I think I'm going to call you Chit since that's how I read your username. I know I'm broken and can't read right lol. Unless of course that means something offensive. In which case I won't call you Chit. :p
Oh and I think she's talking about previous posts before she put her on ignore cuz she only did that tonight.
Whitedobelover
11-03-2005, 12:02 AM
lol... i just put her on tonight chit stop getting so defensive over kim she can take care of her self lol
Whitedobelover
11-03-2005, 12:04 AM
nope they werent... and she hasnt been her two months lol so that isnt true... she has said i lied on multiple occasions lol
White factored is not the same thing as white. My blue merle is black factored, but he is not black. He is blue merle. So those paragons of white logetivity are false, as they ARE NOT WHITE. You can always find those one or two dogs that will be the exception to the rule, like the dogs that live to 30, or the b*tch that has 29 puppies intead of the average six.
And just so you know, you can't call someone a liar when they are directly quoting from your previous posts.
Chithedobe
11-03-2005, 12:11 AM
I think I'm going to call you Chit since that's how I read your username. I know I'm broken and can't read right lol. Unless of course that means something offensive. In which case I won't call you Chit. :p
Chi the Dobe... Chi is short for Chihiro, my Dobe puppy's name. But Chit is fine :D Wasn't sure if it was offensive, or if it was even a word, but as it turns out, Chit is a noun and not at all offensive :-)
NOUN:
A statement of an amount owed for food and drink; a check.
A short letter; a note.
A Brownie point: earned vital chits with his party by making fundraising speeches.
Thank you for the clarification, that does make sense...
Elizabeth,
I wasn't getting defensive at all... I simply asked a question.
Whitedobelover
11-03-2005, 12:11 AM
the first is white. lol... so dont tel mee i just gave you the pic zoom i know what i am talking about... i didnt say all were white... but some are lol read through you will see which are.. the first is white... thep ic was included the last was white I know what i am talking about i have my research done :D
nope they werent... and she hasnt been her two months lol so that isnt true... she has said i lied on multiple occasions lol
That doesn't even make sense. :confused: I said that in the last two months the only people who have used the word 'liar' are you and now me. And you said that you haven't? I had it right infront of me. You're living in denial if you're saying that isn't true. And I know that she hasn't been here for two months that's why I looked within the last couple of months and not farther back and now you are saying that can't be her???
One of us is confused.
Chi the Dobe... Chi is short for Chihiro, my Dobe puppy's name. But Chit is fine :D Wasn't sure if it was offensive, or if it was even a word, but as it turns out, Chit is a noun and not at all offensive :-)
NOUN:
A statement of an amount owed for food and drink; a check.
A short letter; a note.
A Brownie point: earned vital chits with his party by making fundraising speeches.
Thank you for the clarification, that does make sense...
Elizabeth,
I wasn't getting defensive at all... I simply asked a question.
I know what it stands for but I always read chit he dobe. And then I think to myself 'self, that doesn't make any sense.' lol ... I don't always refer to myself as 'self' :p
Too bad it doesn't have a cuter meaning. I'll go see if I can find a cute meaning so it suits my purpose. :D A bit of spindoctoring...
I saw the picture. I read your post. Hence, the reason for that little key word in my response: White factored is not the same thing as white.
I cringe in fear for your future patients if this is the extent of your reading comprehension.
Whitedobelover
11-03-2005, 12:21 AM
WHITE DOBERMAN PICTURE FIRST NAME!!!!
I think the last name is also a WHITE DOBERMAN lol WHITE NOT WHITE FACTORED... it isnt mine you are not reading it. white is white not white factored lol
Chit,
see ... cute... sort of...
The embryo or the growing bud of a plant; a shoot; a
sprout; as, the chits of Indian corn or of potatoes.
[1913 Webster]
2. A child or babe; as, a forward chit; also, a young, small,
or insignificant person or animal.
[1913 Webster]
A little chit of a woman. --Thackeray.
[1913 Webster]
Are you short? Young? lol I CAN make this work :p Sprout... babe...
Whitedobelover
11-03-2005, 12:24 AM
i would say zoom that was a personal attack am i correct... my reading comprehension is above most people in my year lol you know why... because i dont sit here all day :D
Chithedobe
11-03-2005, 12:24 AM
Too bad it doesn't have a cuter meaning. I'll go see if I can find a cute meaning so it suits my purpose. :D A bit of spindoctoring...
Hey according the Merriam-Webster's Chit is also a pert young woman... I can handle being referred to as that :-)
Chithedobe
11-03-2005, 12:25 AM
Saje,
I think we posted at the same time :-) Sure if 33 is young, then gosh darn it, I am young!!! :-)
There ya go! See it's perfect :D
"I am so smart. S-M-R-T" - Homer Simpson/my bf :p
isnt that longevity LOL not all are white some are white factored but the first one i know is white there is a picture oh wait let me get that picture :D
Your words, dearie. Not mine.
i would say zoom that was a personal attack am i correct... my reading comprehension is above most people in my year lol you know why... because i dont sit here all day :D
Yeah, Zoom. Scold yourself. You're a mod. ;)
Shame, shame on me. As punishment, I sentence myself to a hot shower, two advil and 8 hours of sleep.
And sometimes I wish I could sit here all day, but alas, my 45+ hour work weeks tend to limit that wish.
Melissa_W
11-03-2005, 12:33 AM
**** Zoom, will you punish me next? hahaha
I saw the picture. I read your post. Hence, the reason for that little key word in my response:
I cringe in fear for your future patients if this is the extent of your reading comprehension.
OK, since I have been accused of numerous things on this forum already despite the fact that I have posted relatively few things and feel that what I have posted has been on topic and well-written, I will say this:
I don't believe that there will be future patients of elizabeth. Yes, I am saying that I believe that elizabeth is LYING (now my post should come up too) about being in medical school.
I am not saying this as an attack towards her or to be mean, childish, vindictive or whatever adjective you would like to use...
I say this as someone who is working her butt off to become a doctor someday, who spends her days agonizing over medical school admission, and surrounded by pre-meds taking challenging high-level science classes at a top-notch private college.
I do not think it is possible for someone who writes like elizabeth does (lack of complete thoughts, errors in sentance structure, spelling, etc) and has the grasp of science that elizabeth does (recall the discussion of prince's genome coming back at a locus) to be a medical student.
A large part of the medical admission decision is based both on the writing section of the MCAT and a personal essay. I have a hard time beliveing that elizabeth could so drastically alter her written speech as to present an excellent image that would gain her admission to one of the country's top medical schools (University of Washington).
A high MCAT score is also integral to admission, and mendelian genetics (patterns of inheritance for disorders such as albinism) is one of the EASIER topics found on the MCAT.
Again, this is not menat as a personal attack. Anyone can say anything on the internet - there is no code of ethics here! Thus, one is always dubious of claims made since there is really no way to verify them. However, it is my personal opinion, from discussions on this forum and others, that elizabeth is not in medical school.
I'm sorry if this post ends up getting me banned or in trouble. It is not meant as so. I have been accused of something that has been danced around recently, and I thought it to be right to speak the truth about what I THINK. This is simply a statement of my own conclusions based on how I have analyzed certain discussions.
If elizabeth is a medical student, I apologize for my doubts and I sincerely hope that she conducts herself in a more mature and professional manner with her colleagues and patients. Debate and discussion is an important part of medicine and I certainly hope that she can present a more rational persona when engaged in professional dialouge.
Whitedobelover
11-03-2005, 12:45 AM
oh see what i mean a mod can do it and not get in trouble how does this work is it at all possible??? oh ye i guess it is... favortism a bit right
Whitedobelover
11-03-2005, 12:46 AM
as i said zoom some are on there i didnt filter those out but i also told you the ones that were white yet you dearie missed that hmmm
bubbatd
11-03-2005, 12:50 AM
Elle... well stated. I've questioned that too ! I've asked her several questions which she won't answer. Personally, at this point I feel sorry for her.
Whitedobelover
11-03-2005, 12:52 AM
you have never asked me one question bubba and dont feel sorry for someone you dont know :D because you know no one you think you do... LOL feel sorry for yourself... because you made that statement
You are very articulate Ellie and I can't find fault with what you are saying after your name has been drug up so often.
Whitedobelover
11-03-2005, 12:53 AM
and once again people from chaz have always figured out ways to take a thread and turn it into soemthing it isnt... and try to fight and argue and pity themselves and get attention it doesnt work to well cause it doesnt look good
you have never asked me one question bubba and dont feel sorry for someone you dont know :D because you know no one you think you do... LOL feel sorry for yourself... because you made that statement
What???? :confused:
Whitedobelover
11-03-2005, 12:54 AM
Saje when are you going to take action against the mod that basically went against rules... oh wait zoom is a mod... mods can do what they want when they want why because they are mods am i correct?
nedim
11-03-2005, 12:55 AM
Heres an idea-if youre(generally speaking) mad at someone whos on the other side of the Earth, simply shut off your computer or ignore their posts. The internet is not reality. took me a helluva long time to pick that up myself.
Whitedobelover
11-03-2005, 12:55 AM
oh and lets not forget elle doesnt get brought up unless she brings her self into it... because there is no reason to bring people into things that arent there..
Saje when are you going to take action against the mod that basically went against rules... oh wait zoom is a mod... mods can do what they want when they want why because they are mods am i correct?
Only if you are a mod do you get to know what goes on in the mods forum.
Whitedobelover
11-03-2005, 12:57 AM
oh but yet you can bring everything out in the open when it is someone in here right? because that is what you guys do... do i or anyone think anything will be said to zoom no it wont why because mods cando what they want
oh but yet you can bring everything out in the open when it is someone in here right? because that is what you guys do... do i or anyone think anything will be said to zoom no it wont why because mods cando what they want
You're being ridiculous. We only 'bring things out in the open' if people have been repeatedly warned by PM/IM which is the case here.
Melissa_W
11-03-2005, 01:00 AM
WDL... If you would spend more time discussing the facts and less time worrying about insults, you would probably get a lot further. I've seen you sling a lot more insults than facts. I've posted in these white dobe threads before, and I honestly feel like you don't read what people post.
Ok I'm going to lock this thread. I feel that everything has been said and it's not going to get better. I also feel that I am not at my best in this thread and it should just be left alone. Let's move on to something else.