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Forager
10-29-2005, 12:53 AM
Initially,I posted this in the Introduction forum. I was told to post it in the Health forum:

Hello, everyone. Six weeks ago, my wife and I brought Dimity, an 8-week old Doberman female, into into our home: She is sweet, and we love her.

When we purchased her, however, we did not know what we were doing, and transacted business with a less-than-ethical breeder: no papers, no certifications. On the strength of her having the pup's mother, father, grandmother, and grandfather on the premises, we assumed she was a legitimate, ethical breeder. She seemed to know a lot about the breed, professing to be a defender of its interests. In short, we bought her line.

Two days after the purchase, a veterinarian examined the puppy: lab tests revealed Coccidia, a urinary tract infection, and a bacterial imbalance in her intestinal tract--all of which have been resolved through treatment.

Because of another physical issue, I've tried to get information on the health history of the pup's lineage, but the breeder will not return my calls. I've left numerous messages, asking her to do so. As the kennel is quite a distance away, I've given up trying to contact her. In fact, I don't want to think about her.

We are concerned about one lingering physical issue. The vet noted on the first visit--the first of four visits so far--an intermittent limping of Dimity's left rear leg. The limp concerned the vet, given Dimity's age (8 1/2 weeks). Over the last few weeks, the vet treated Dimity for an inflammation, hoping the limp was the result of a soft tissue injury, and also treated her for pain, prophylactically. Owing to no improvement over four weeks time on medication, Dimity's hips and knees were X-Rayed--but no abnormalities were detected. The plan, for the moment, is restricted activity only, no running, etc., to see if the condition self-resolves in 6-8 weeks. If not, we are to appoint with an orthopedic veterinarian.

In addition to the intermittent limp, she will occasionally hop (left side only). She will often raise her left leg when pooping (75% of the time), and raise it when feeding (25-50%) of the time. Walking on uneven ground will sometimes cause her to lift her left leg. When standing with all four paws squarely on the ground, her left rear paw is usually well forward of the right rear paw.

When any of this happens, there is no discernible sign of pain: no whimpering, no change of expression--just the tell-tale raising of the left leg. Even when the vet palpates the affected leg, Dimity does not seem to be in pain.

For weight management, we are feeding her a low-protein puppy food--Solid Gold Wolf Cub. She is lean, happy, and in otherwise good health.

Has anyone on the forum experienced anything similar with a pup of this age? Any comments at all would be appreciated. We are g-g-goofy over this dog--but concerned for her well-being.

Regards,
Steve (Forager)

Mordy
10-29-2005, 01:03 AM
steve, i think it could be pano (panosteitis).
http://www.vetsurgerycentral.com/panosteitis.htm
http://www.gsdhelpline.com/pano.htm

google it and see what else you come up with and how it compares to the condition of your dog.

your choice of food and paying attention to body weight is excellent.

bubbatd
10-29-2005, 01:11 AM
I'm so sorry you are having these problems ! It's not fair !! I hope that they aren't doing in-breeding ! Glad you joined us, and good luck.! Keep us posted !

filarotten
10-29-2005, 01:13 AM
My first thought was pano also but I needed someone with more experience than me to give advice.

Gempress
10-29-2005, 01:23 AM
Forager, I'm sorry about your puppy. Hopefully this is just something she'll outgrow.

I don't mean to scare you, but dogs from non-ethical breeders can sometimes have less stable temperaments than dogs from a good breeder. I would take special care to get Dimity well-socialized, expose her to a variety of new situations, and work diligently on her obedience. Puppy classes and obedience classes would be great.

It sounds like you're doing everything great so far. There are few people who'd be willing to spend so much time and money on an 8-week old pup with Dimity's health issues. It's far easier to "throw away" the pup and get another. :mad: You're great dog owners.

Just keep up the love, and I'm sure Dimity will be a wonderful dog.

Jynx
10-29-2005, 04:19 PM
I would also wonder if she has luxating patella's..pano will go from one leg to the next, and you see it happen more in GSD's than dobies and more in males vs females. But it's something to not rule out..

As for your unethical breeder, have you thought about taking her to small claims court? Check your state for the doggie lemon laws,,you "may" be able to collect those vet bills since you took her in right after purchasing her. Something to ponder anyhow,

Sounds like she's gotten a great home and I hope her troubles disappear soon.
Jynx

SummerRiot
10-29-2005, 05:17 PM
Report that "breeder"!! The poor little girl, she is EXTREMELY lucky that she has fallen into your care! :)

Forager
10-30-2005, 10:46 PM
I would like to thank everyone for their comments. There's a lot to think about.

For days now I have been searching online for something definitive, but Dimity's symptoms and age do not match any Internet entries I have found (e.g., panosteitis is described as occuring to puppies--predominantly males, at that--five months old or older.) Dimity is only 15 weeks old now. She first manifested the problem as a 9-week old. Her occasional intermittent hopping (which still looks left-sided to me) continues shortly after leaving her crate and while descending stairs or running We've tried to restrict her physical activities, but she is a whirlwind (and very sly about doing what she wants to). She continues to raise her left rear leg frequently when standing stationary, defecating, and peeing.

As for hip dysplasia, I haven't found one Internet entry that referred to a dog less than 8 months old. Evidently, hip X Rays on very young puppies are not particularly informative, as the puppy's hips are still forming. For what it is worth, Dimity's hip and knee X Rays were normal.

Moreover, Dimity has never appeared to be in pain. Currently, the vet is prophylactically treating her for pain, so her current affect is not necessarily indicative of how she's feeling about all this. Still, I suspect, in my highly-suggestive way, that she is not suffering any pain from this condition--whatever the hell it is.

I hope everyone will indulge my lengthy (repetitive?) postings. As I mentioned, I research the issue online (many hours each day), and I'm concerned for her.
She is a very happy, high-spirted pup. My wife and I are more upset about her condition than she is.

This is a wonderful forum.

Thank you.
Steve

filarotten
10-30-2005, 10:55 PM
I am so sorry Dimity is going through this. I know it has to be rough on you and your wife. I would still call the vet and suggest the thought of pano to him/her. Brutus, my Fila puppy went for a routine check up a couple of months ago. While there the vet always pull on his legs. She was worried as he was not responding as normal. They took xrays, and I was a wreck. Xrays were fine, but after, when I got home I got to thinking about it, his back legs had fallen in our pool. He showed no signs of being hurt. Next visit his was fine.
Could she have possibly been injured? Oh, and btw, my shiz-mix lifts her hind leg to pee. You have to remember dogs have a very high tolerance to pain, I believe some breeds more than others. So she may be uncomfortable,but not showing it by whining. I hope you the best. Hopefully she will get much better. Have you considered a second opinion from another vet?

I would report the breeder also.

Forager
11-08-2005, 03:08 PM
Again, thanks to everyone for replying. We are taking Dimity to an orthopod on Nov. 17. She continues to limp intermittently; the anti-inflammatory drug has had no apparent effect. As she grows, we note that the limping leg (left rear) is thinner than the right; her left paw is flatter and smaller, with toenails growing markedly in toward one another.
She remains good-natured and uncomplaining.
We can't find anything online remotely resembling Dimity's condition.
Steve

showpug
11-08-2005, 03:23 PM
defiantly sounds like a luxating patella to me. Has the vet checked her knees???

Forager
11-19-2005, 09:20 PM
On 11-17-05 Dimity was examined by an orthopedic vet: Two sets of Xrays revealed normal hips and knees. However, the orthopod found chronic luxation affecting the 3rd digit of the left hind leg; an Xray of the area showed an abnormal distal interphalangeal joint. Even under sedation, there was pain when firm pressure was applied to the third digit. All other digits were normal. The vet also noted that the tarsi were normal, but that there is obvious disuse osteopenia of the left metatarsals.

Contingent treatment: amputation of the distal part of the third toe of the left hind leg.

The vet ordered daily anti-inflammatories and pain-killers for a while, to rule out any neurological causes. If her gait improves on the medication, then it's the vet's judgment that the toe is the cause of her limping, at which point he would perform the surgery. If Dimity's gait does not improve while on the meds, then we must appoint with a neurologist.

In spite of all this, Dimity's spirts are very good--better than ours, certainly.

Steve

Gempress
11-19-2005, 09:41 PM
I hope poor Dimity feels better. It sounds like she's a real sweetheart.

filarotten
11-20-2005, 12:48 AM
Forager I am so sorry. Poor you and your wife, and Dimity. What a terrible thing to have to deal with in a puppy so young. I hope everything works out.
You are in my thoughts and prayers.