why does he not smell???

[Whitedobelover]

When prince is going to go potty he doesnt smell around unless it isnt a place he has every been to before. i mean like in downtown and so on. but my problem is i was sitting on my couch and he just walked in and just squatted and peed.... he had came inside and the door was open and he came in and peed.... i want to yell and scream at him.

[doberkim]

what do you do when they DO go to the bathroom in the house? you said you caught him - what did you do?

what are you cleaning their accidents up with?

do they go to the bathroom in their crates?

where were these dogs kept before you got them?

[poeluvr]

u have a white doberman, hes gorgeous, but i hope you didnt request a white dobe from a breeder its dangerous(sorry out of topic)..and im sure you heard this before,just curious to how you got him

[doberkim]

do you still have the doggie door?

one thing i would do is stop letting them use it. they need more structure and more frequent walks - right now free access to outside makes it another place to play -- they shouldnt play outside until they are done going to the bathroom. IMO, even if it means you take them out ever 15 minutes until they go, THEN they are allowed to run around and play. right now if they can go in and out when they please, they may not be differentiating what all the different areas are.

do they tend to go in one place more than another?

have you attempted to put bathroom habits to commands - instruct them to go when you tell them?

[Whitedobelover]

yes kim i still have the doggie door and he goes in and out all them time... he is out for thirty minutes and pees and comes in and does it again... Im like what the heck...

well this was in a place they never went before... as was the one time today....

When I caught him I said NO Prince... and I took him outside and showed the grass and walked out and said Go Potty Prince. and he just sat down and we stood outside for about 20 minutes and he just sat there didnt want to potty...

I take them out and they know to potty in this one area.... but it is like they know where to potty if i am standing there but the minute I walk away they pee and poop where they want....

It is Prince not really tasneem She knows that she can go to the top of the stairs and bark and we will let her out... he doesnt show signs of needingto go he just can be playing with tasneem in the house and turn around and squat and pee... ....hmmm until they learn to potty outside permenantly I will take them out and make sure they go before i come in... but dang it is like 40 degrees here... i freeze todeath... but it is worth it to have them potty outside finally....

[poeluvr]

whitedobluver- u pm me to talk about it privately but then when i put down my issue you dont answer back...

[Whitedobelover]

that is because poe i have a life off this website LOL

[poeluvr]

well you had enough time to write me this huge explanation..so do i buddy!
and my names not poe, thats my dogs name. i just changed my name today

[Whitedobelover]

i aint your buddy... and i dont have time for you or anyone... i come here for answer... of things i havent experienced yet... other than that... i do have a life off this website...now if you can let my thread get back to where it was do it... if you dont like it start another thread plz because i have asked a specific question which doesnt include anything youve said...

[poeluvr]

buddy is a figure of speech..beleive me i dont mean it in the way where im calling someone from the internet who i dont know a friend. You obviously knew i didnt mean it that way but thats beside the point...well if you dont have time for me stoop responding, and let me find out if people who have albino breeds risk that dogs life in asking for a white one or not..
*p.s/...i aske dthis because i thought it would be simple..you say "oh thats ok i got a white dob because.." but you have to take it the wrong way i guess.
I guess since you took a simple question the wrong way i should have started a new thread..i just wanted the answer from another point of view someone who has a whit dob and i didnt know if you would answer
sorry wont talk to you again

[Whitedobelover]

Kim we are going to also continue crate training until they are purely and perfectly housetrained... it is driving me crazy... im thinking that i should put them inthe crates in our salarium so they know that when they potty they go out the doggie door and down to the grass and back up to the crate? what do oyu think about that idea? so they dont just thinkit is for play?

[Whitedobelover]

im firing you poe LOL... lets not fight hehehe... i like your attitude...

[Chithedobe]

Our pups are about the same age and Chi has pretty much got the house training thing down to a fine science BUT I am so neurotic about anticipating when she needs to go out that I don't leave much room for error. I honestly can't remember the last "accident" she's had (knock on wood) It has been my experience that allowing them too much freedom in the house before they are solidly (if that's a word :-) potty trained only sets you up for wicked problems in the future. If I were you I would limit his free reign to come in and out (via the dog door). Take Prince out to potty, if he doesn't in a reasonable amount of time put him in his crate for 15 min or so and then repeat until he does. Stay with him while he is out, I tell Chi to go potty as soon as we walk out the door and repeat it until she does and then heap the praise when she does. I also will not encourage play before she "goes". He should not get to run the house until he's done his business... It's a pain in the arse because you're constantly up and down but I bet that within a few days he'll get the message and learn that freedom comes with going where he's supposed to go... It's what I've done with Chi from day one and has worked wonders. I so wish I had done this with Petri (4yr old chihuahua mix) because he's still not quite got the whole pee outside thing down yet.grrrrrrrr (mom's fault though, not his...) Good luck.. Hey how has Tanseem recovered from her spay? Chi had her follow up today and other than finding out she may have a bum right hip she's recovered well and back to full caliber...

[Fran27]

I totally agree that dog doors are to avoid until the dogs are potty trained. They need to learn to hold, and that going out means potty, not fun.

[SHADOW_THE_STAFF]

I totally agree that dog doors are to avoid until the dogs are potty trained. They need to learn to hold, and that going out means potty, not fun.

oh bugger. I've had shadow a doggie door since week two of having her, so since she was 10 weeks. I am having the same trouble as Whitedobe, she'll be outside for ages, and then pee inside, she NEVER poo's inside thou, and she'll only pee in the kitchen. Im loath to stop using the doggie door, as I put it in so she could go outside when i was in work, I havent used a crate and I wont start now, she's almost 7 months.

Is my only hope to stop using the doggie door? How about if I stop using it when Im home? So she has to let me know when she needs to go out? Would that work?

Sorry for hi-jacking ur thread whitedobe.

[Chithedobe]

Goodness knows I am not an expert in this catagory, like I said, I have a 4yr old that still hasn't gotten down the idea of only "going" outside but I don't think the dog door is the problem so much as the actual training. Sure the dog door allows the dog to go outside and sure you know the dog should "go" outside but have you really taken the steps to teach the dog he/she needs to "go" only outside? It just makes sense to me that the dogs that are having this problem are seeing the yard and house as one big area and are having problems knowing where it is okay to "go" and where it is not... I would dicontinue the use of the dog door until you know for sure that the dog knows what the primary reason for the yard is, ie. potty. I'm sure that once that is established the dog door will be perfect, in fact I envy that you have one :-) I would cut my arm off to have a dog door sometimes :-)

[SHADOW_THE_STAFF]

Goodness knows I am not an expert in this catagory, like I said, I have a 4yr old that still hasn't gotten down the idea of only "going" outside but I don't think the dog door is the problem so much as the actual training. Sure the dog door allows the dog to go outside and sure you know the dog should "go" outside but have you really taken the steps to teach the dog he/she needs to "go" only outside? It just makes sense to me that the dogs that are having this problem are seeing the yard and house as one big area and are having problems knowing where it is okay to "go" and where it is not... I would dicontinue the use of the dog door until you know for sure that the dog knows what the primary reason for the yard is, ie. potty. I'm sure that once that is established the dog door will be perfect, in fact I envy that you have one :-) I would cut my arm off to have a dog door sometimes :-)

Shes been very good up until recently, always went outside, but that could have been because she just happened to be outside at the time. But she hasnt pooped in the house in ages, she just seemed to have "got" that she needs to poop outside. But peeing seems to be a different matter. Im gona try not using the doggie door when im home, i can lock it so shadow has to ask me to go out, then i can reinforce the good behaviour when she goes outside. I think thats where the problem is, she managed to go in the kitchen without me seeing her last week, so she prob thinks its ok.

[Chithedobe]

That could be it... I just went to edit my post and realized you had already responded... Was going to suggest that when you're not there maybe confine her only to the area immediately around her dog door if that's possible... That way her choice will be to go either outside or in her immediate indoor area... worth a shot if it's possible... Good luck :-)
I love Staffs btw :-)

[doberkim]

ok - flat out, you need to address this (for all of you that are having problems) like your dog is brand new.

the dog should not be allowed out of your site. the dog is attached to you, and you are supervising it all the time. if it is not attached to you (via leash), then its crated. the dog is not allowed to run around, is not allowed to do things when you arent there. you watch the dog and you walk it at LEAST every hour, reward heavily when it goes outside. you interrupt it if it goes in the house. you walk it after playing, aftering eating, after sleeping. the dog needs to understand that the ONLY acceptable place is to go outside - right now, i just dont think its really sticking with them - they know you CAN go to the bathroom outside, but theyve gone too much inside and perhaps been given too much freedom, too soon.

yes, the dog needs to learn that it needs to let you know when it needs to go out. right now, it decides when it goes in or out. it makes all he decisions regarding the bathroom habits - so why shouldnt it just go where it feels like. they are young, and need supervision. they need to be reminded that they need to go (how many times when you were a kid did you hold it until it was almost too late?). they need to be reminded WHERE to go. they dont get to make decisions for themselves. and then they let you know they DO need to go, they get rewarded heavily.

i would simply take it back to step one. my mother use to say she could pretty much housebreak a puppy in 24 hours by STAYING with that puppy at all times for 24 hours and walking it very frequently. if the dog doesnt know going to the bathroom in the house is an option, then it wont do it. if going outside is the norm and the only thing it knows, theres no confusion.

[Whitedobelover]

hmmm.... i would have to agree... my dogs are outside during the day and then in the crates at the evening but it seems to be working better.... since i am doing what you said kim

[doberkim]

hold on - they are left outside during the day?

[Lexus]

Yeah how is Tasneem doing after her spay? I'm sure she bounced right back huh?!

[Lexus]

buddy is a figure of speech..beleive me i dont mean it in the way where im calling someone from the internet who i dont know a friend. You obviously knew i didnt mean it that way but thats beside the point...well if you dont have time for me stoop responding, and let me find out if people who have albino breeds risk that dogs life in asking for a white one or not..
*p.s/...i aske dthis because i thought it would be simple..you say "oh thats ok i got a white dob because.." but you have to take it the wrong way i guess.
I guess since you took a simple question the wrong way i should have started a new thread..i just wanted the answer from another point of view someone who has a whit dob and i didnt know if you would answer
sorry wont talk to you again


I love to discuss it if you want to start a new thread Poeluvr! I don't have an albino, but I do think it would be very informative to discuss. If not, I won't bother ya about it!

[Sheba]

i aint your buddy... and i dont have time for you or anyone...

ouch :*(

[SHADOW_THE_STAFF]

ok - flat out, you need to address this (for all of you that are having problems) like your dog is brand new.

the dog should not be allowed out of your site. the dog is attached to you, and you are supervising it all the time. if it is not attached to you (via leash), then its crated. the dog is not allowed to run around, is not allowed to do things when you arent there. you watch the dog and you walk it at LEAST every hour, reward heavily when it goes outside. you interrupt it if it goes in the house. you walk it after playing, aftering eating, after sleeping. the dog needs to understand that the ONLY acceptable place is to go outside - right now, i just dont think its really sticking with them - they know you CAN go to the bathroom outside, but theyve gone too much inside and perhaps been given too much freedom, too soon.

yes, the dog needs to learn that it needs to let you know when it needs to go out. right now, it decides when it goes in or out. it makes all he decisions regarding the bathroom habits - so why shouldnt it just go where it feels like. they are young, and need supervision. they need to be reminded that they need to go (how many times when you were a kid did you hold it until it was almost too late?). they need to be reminded WHERE to go. they dont get to make decisions for themselves. and then they let you know they DO need to go, they get rewarded heavily.

i would simply take it back to step one. my mother use to say she could pretty much housebreak a puppy in 24 hours by STAYING with that puppy at all times for 24 hours and walking it very frequently. if the dog doesnt know going to the bathroom in the house is an option, then it wont do it. if going outside is the norm and the only thing it knows, theres no confusion.

Staying with my dog 24hrs isnt an option, my partner and I work full time so we're not there during the day. Shes almost 7months now we've had her since she was 8 weeks.

I closed the doggie door off yesterday, and shadow went to the toilet outside 4times, and was rewarded 4 times for going outside. She did have one accident in the kitchen, I dont think she knows quite how to let me know she wants to go out, apart from looking at the back door. I tried the "scolding the floor for being naughty" when I saw her pool of pee, didnt shout or anything at her cos I know she wouldnt understand, but shouted and slapped the floor (there was a thread on here that described this method), not sure if it worked or not.

She never messes during the night only the evening when im there. She always goes outside in the night. I dont crate her, dont like the idea personally. Im gona stick with locking the doggie door when im home so i can be with her when she goes outside. I think thats the best idea.

[SHADOW_THE_STAFF]

Hey whitedobelover, had any progress on the peeing in the house thing? Im having the same trouble with shadow, she seems to have regressed. Im locking the doggie door when Im home at the mo, so i can be there everytime she goes out.

Hope things are improving.

Rach

[Chithedobe]

I have always seen these really great dogs that would bark to go out or would jump on the door or whatever and could never really figure out how to teach mine to do the same. Thankfully Chi just started doing it on her own, she will come to me and pace around for a bit and then if that doesn't work she'll jump on the door. (If I'm asleep she'll poke me with her nose until I wake up :-) I have read really great ideas on this though. One that comes to mind is hanging a small bell from the door at nose level. Put a little peanut butter or soft cheese on the bell, she'll nose and lick it causing the bell to ring, as soon as she rings the bell open the door and woohoo in no time you've got a dog that will ring a bell to go outside :-) Probably not what you want to do since you have the dog door for a reason but it's a thought :-)

[yuckaduck]

Mine do not ask to go out and they do not sniff either. If they want to pee and I happen to not be outside with them, they pee in the house or in their crates. They are getting better for not doing it but they still do it. Yukon is pretty good now hardly ever does it now but Storm well now you know why he is out in the kennel.

[Fran27]

I think that letting the dogs out during the day is a mistake. Sure, your house is clean, but they don't learn that they need to go outside to pee, and not just pee wherever they are.

About having the dogs show you they need to go out, I just take them out often enough that they don't have to. It seems to work fine.

[yuckaduck]

I find for me a set schedule is working.
7am we all eat breakfast and water goes down.
7:30 am boys go outside
7:45 am Hope goes outside

noon water goes down again
12:30pm boys go outside
1pm Hope goes outside


5pm water goes down and everyoen eats supper
5:15pm the boys go outside
5:45pm Hope goes outside



10pm boys go outside
10:30pm Hope goes outside


Yes I pick the water up each time because I have three water hounds they pig down the water and pee everywhere. When water is dropped down they each have a big dish full and they each get there own personal space so no one pushes somebody out of the dish. I have never had anyone empty a dish yet but if they do I would re fill it. THey get all they want to drink.


This schedule seems to be working fairly well. Yukon is almost perfect, Storm is a pig on ocassion but his training is very limitted. Hope has started submissive peeing but I have no clue why???

[Whitedobelover]

you know so far it is going better. Bill lets them out at 445 am.. before he leaves and then I get up and let them out again at 830 and then again everytwo hours. plus instead of taking them out the front door i take them out the doggie door to show them it is for potty purposes only. They now when they need to potty and mom has let them run and play in the house for a few minutes they run outside and come right back in... i still work with them my self but... I do also work with it myself. It is rough somedays but I have eliminated all the areas that they went potty before... after cleaning them I laid their beds there and toys and now they refuse to potty there. which is great... then i also use lavender i sprayed their beds and floors with it and now they smell lavender in the house and in their crates and they kinda look at me like im wierd and then whine to go out...

i dont know if it is what i am doing or if it they are growing up... but i do know they are learning quit well... It is taking me alot of patience... i just wish he would smell before he pees rather than just squating and pottying on the floor when he feels like it...

hmmm hopefully they will learn soon mom is losing her mind hehehehe... Now that I am on vacation and with them 24 hours aday hehehe.

[doberkim]

staffy - you dont have to do the 24 hours thing every day - ONE day of it, watching them like a hawk.

[Whitedobelover]

Staffy--- i watch mine about 85% of the time... it isnt like i watch them a hundred percent of them i cant... i dont take them to the bathroom with me... and when it is their play time outside they go out and paly together Im not normallyu with them