Newbie Problem

[Bowowee]

My dog is in her 2nd day of heat. This is her first time to be bred. This is also my first dog. What should I do? When should I breed her?

[doberkim]

Personally, and I don't mean this to be harsh - if you have no clue, AND she has demodex, and this is her first heat (which is what it sounds like) - this dog has NO BUSINESS being bred.

Before the dog is bred, I would thoroughly research, plan, prepare and proove the dog worthy of breeding.

Has she been temperament tested, has she began working towards titles? Does she have her health testing complete and have they come up perfect?

Have you found a breeder to mentor you and offer advice?

I think you are jumping into this too soon and you should step back and determine if the dog is REALLY worthy of being bred. Breeding should be done to BETTER the breed.

And a dog with active demodex should never be bred.

[bubbatd]

I definately agree !!! I see you have 3 dogs....which one is it and I hope you don't have any un-neutered males. Please fill us in.

[moe]

I agree 100% with what has already been said, is this her 1st heat? if so Why are you breeding? she is far too young, if she is older than this have you had ALL the official health check for your breed done, and was she clear of any of these health problems, just because you have a bitch, is not a good reason for breeding, before you should even think of breeding you should at least research into what it entails, do you know you could possibly lose your bitch due to complications, she may need a ceasar operation (very costly) have you got homes vetted for the litter once they arrive?

There are more than enough litters being born from dogs with health problems, that end up in rescue all over. why would you possibly want to add to this number?

You have obviously NOT thought this through or done any research whatsoever, otherwise you would not have asked such a basic question. if you love your dog, do NOT go ahead with any breeding til she has proven she is worthy of breeding off and is old enough to do so. and please keep any entire males away from her at this moment in time. Help is always on hand here for someone who wishes to breed responsibly.

Mo

[Julie]

My dog is in her 2nd day of heat. This is her first time to be bred. This is also my first dog. What should I do? When should I breed her?


This is odd, You say here this is your first dog.

In the Introduction forum you say you breed several different breeds....
Which is it?

http://www.chazhound.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13104

[pitbulliest]

Uhm....hmm...lets see here...

DON'T BREED YOUR DOG!!!!!!!!!

[Gallien Jacks]

I you have to ask questions, and you know so little do no breed

[RD]

If you have to ask us that question, you have no business breeding your dog. Do your research before you even consider things like that.

[Zoom]

My thinking is that you should get all of your dogs spayed and neutered and put off the breeding until you actually know what you are doing.

[bubbatd]

Agree!!!!!

[rottiegirl]

In my opinion, you have no idea what you are doing! Why do you want to breed in the first place? Your dog is way too young. You cant just breed on the first heat, she is not mature enough. You sound like a back yard breeder.

[Whitedobelover]

well i do have to agree with kim... and the others... though titling isnt everything testing is...age is... temperment testing is... if the dog has already gotten a medical condition you should never breed during that time anyway number one.

secondly you need to find someone and have them guide you. It isnt easy to breed dogs... and they should never be bred before 2 years. lol... only after that... and is the dog akc... if not THEN no dont do it anyway... the dog isnt really up to the breeding... demodex now !!!!! no dont friggin breed... even if she didnt she is to young and she hasnt been tested... aaaaaaaaaaah!

[Whitedobelover]

hi julie i totally just seen that... ummm no breeding

This is odd, You say here this is your first dog.

In the Introduction forum you say you breed several different breeds....
Which is it?

http://www.chazhound.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13104

[moe]

Is it possible this is another Troll?

Mo

[SHADOW_THE_STAFF]

My dog is in her 2nd day of heat. This is her first time to be bred. This is also my first dog. What should I do? When should I breed her?

Hello. I'm Gerald. I breed Beagles, Shih Tzus and Pit Bulls. I'm from the Philippines.

Um, moe I think u may be right about the troll thing.

[sylvia liebrechts]

agree!
anyway ... read books, visit experienced breeders .... think twice .... and wait... this bitch is far too young to be bred from! Maybe by the time you have done "your homework" about breeding ... although ...
well maybe better to keep my opinion to myself!!!

[Love4Pits]

Sigh here we go again. I smell a troll but in case it is'nt I will help.

http://www.chazhound.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8916

[Whitedobelover]

hehehehehe... well im just laughing what does one say... this person hasnt replied?

hahahaha

[Bowowee]

Thanks for all your comments. You were really all a big help. :=)

[Bowowee]

In my opinion, you have no idea what you are doing! Why do you want to breed in the first place? Your dog is way too young. You cant just breed on the first heat, she is not mature enough. You sound like a back yard breeder.

My dog is more than 2 yrs old. I think thats not too young anymore

[Bowowee]

hi julie i totally just seen that... ummm no breeding

Yes it is true. Our kennel is handled collaboration of different people. My cousins breed the pitbulls, my sister breed the shih tzus, and I breed the beagles. I'm just seeking other people's opinions on what to do. Maybe I'm we're missing something out. My dog has no demodex (None of them ever had that) and she's already more than 2 years old. The one you saw on my webpage were probably our puppies. We are not irresponsible breeders. We give our pets the best care we could give. I'm glad a lot of people responded with a lot of nice suggestions. Thank you.

[Bowowee]

Is it possible this is another Troll?

Mo

Hey, whats a troll? Are you referring to me? I think that statement is very unfair. You don't even know me. I posted a polite and very simple question and I got a lot of rude answers. I guess that reflects your personalities. I can't blame you if you were raised that way.

[showpug]

Bowowee... In defense of some of the chaz members who may have come across rudely, I can assure you that that was probably not their intent. We live in a world where there are so many unwanted dogs that when we hear a post from someone that sounds like they are unsure of themselves, we get worried, at least I do!!!! I think it is immoral to breed dogs for money or for pets only. I truly believe that if you want to breed a dog you should not have any questions about it when it's time to breed!!!!! Do your research first, before her heat cycle!!!! If you are not competing with your dogs then how do you know they fit their standard? How do you know this breeding will help to improve beagles as a whole? Have you asked yourself what the bitch is lacking that the stud makes up for? There is so much to consider when breeding dogs that I don't even know where to start. Here is a link to read http://www.faqs.org/faqs/dogs-faq/medical-info/whelping/

[Gallien Jacks]

My dog is in her 2nd day of heat. This is her first time to be bred. This is also my first dog. What should I do? When should I breed her?
Bowowee just look at your first post in here! So Is it your first dog, or have you bred before?? Because i am confused? then you said this that you breed?



Yes it is true. Our kennel is handled collaboration of different people. My cousins breed the pitbulls, my sister breed the shih tzus, and I breed the beagles. I'm just seeking other people's opinions on what to do. Maybe I'm we're missing something out. My dog has no demodex (None of them ever had that) and she's already more than 2 years old. The one you saw on my webpage were probably our puppies. We are not irresponsible breeders. We give our pets the best care we could give. I'm glad a lot of people responded with a lot of nice suggestions. Thank you.
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[Manchesters]

Kinda smells like a puppy mill situation.

[bubbatd]

I wish he'd make himself more clear. This may be his first beagle to breed. If so, these questions should have been asked many moons ago.I would thin the rest of the family breeders would enter the picture since they have a kennel site. Please, Bow, give us more info !

[bubbatd]

Just saw the 1st posting date........... it's either a done deal or he's waiting. Let us know Bow !

[Bowowee]

Bowowee... In defense of some of the chaz members who may have come across rudely, I can assure you that that was probably not their intent. We live in a world where there are so many unwanted dogs that when we hear a post from someone that sounds like they are unsure of themselves, we get worried, at least I do!!!! I think it is immoral to breed dogs for money or for pets only. I truly believe that if you want to breed a dog you should not have any questions about it when it's time to breed!!!!! Do your research first, before her heat cycle!!!! If you are not competing with your dogs then how do you know they fit their standard? How do you know this breeding will help to improve beagles as a whole? Have you asked yourself what the bitch is lacking that the stud makes up for? There is so much to consider when breeding dogs that I don't even know where to start. Here is a link to read http://www.faqs.org/faqs/dogs-faq/medical-info/whelping/


Well, its still not right to call someone a troll or to accuse someone of being a puppy mill. I don't breed dogs for money Showpug. I have other sources of income for that. I'm with my dogs 24/7. They live both in my house and farm. We treat and love them like people. We do not harm our dogs! We don't crop their ears, we don't neuter or spay them! We don't sell to petshops or retailers. As I've told everyone here, YOU DON'T KNOW ME, SO DO NOT JUDGE ME! If you don't want to answer my queries its fine me, just don't give me derogatory remarks because I'm not putting up with it. Its disappointing to see a lot of people here are jerks.
Still, there is nothing wrong with asking questions. Man evolves because he always has a question on his mind. There are always a better way to do things. One of the best ways to acquire knowledge is to ask the opinions of others especially those who are better experienced than you are.

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[Julie]

I don't think anyone here are jerks.

You posted two threads that contradict each other.

Either this is your first dog, or you are already a breeder?????????????

I don't even think you realize the threads that we are talking about.

How old are you?

My guess is 13 or 14.

[Bowowee]

Whatever. Bye.

[Manchesters]

Well, its still not right to call someone a troll or to accuse someone of being a puppy mill. I don't breed dogs for money Showpug. I have other sources of income for that. I'm with my dogs 24/7. They live both in my house and farm. We treat and love them like people. We do not harm our dogs! We don't crop their ears, we don't neuter or spay them! We don't sell to petshops or retailers. As I've told everyone here, YOU DON'T KNOW ME, SO DO NOT JUDGE ME! If you don't want to answer my queries its fine me, just don't give me derogatory remarks because I'm not putting up with it. Its disappointing to see a lot of people here are jerks.
Still, there is nothing wrong with asking questions. Man evolves because he always has a question on his mind. There are always a better way to do things. One of the best ways to acquire knowledge is to ask the opinions of others especially those who are better experienced than you are.

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I went to your website. And guess what??????? NOT ONE PEDIGREE!!!! No show records......nothing but the usual back yard breeder stuff that really says nothing. No mention of dogs being checked for any health issues either. So I can only draw the conclusion that you are merely a puppy producer. And I know you and your type very well.

You may have all kinds of good intentions, but you are out of your league claiming to be a breeder. Breeding dogs entails much more than just throwing two dogs together to "do it". It involves research into the bloodlines........knowing personally what every dog behind your dogs looked like, what faults they had, what good/bad things they passed to their offspring.

You are not a breeder, obviously. If you are not a breeder yet insist on producing puppies, then you are a backyard breeder. Sorry but them there is simply the facts.

You can hang around and learn what makes a good, responsible, educated breeder, or you can just go on adding to the dog population of the world. The choice is yours.

[Manchesters]

OH YEAH-----What is that bit about "we don't spay or neuter"?? Is that something you are proud of??????? And you equate it with cropping ears????? I am sorry, but you just don't present yourself in a favorable light at ALL!!!!

[juliefurry]

Wow! Manchesters where did you come from??? This is a blast from the past.

[Bowowee]

I went to your website. And guess what??????? NOT ONE PEDIGREE!!!! No show records......nothing but the usual back yard breeder stuff that really says nothing. No mention of dogs being checked for any health issues either. So I can only draw the conclusion that you are merely a puppy producer. And I know you and your type very well.

You may have all kinds of good intentions, but you are out of your league claiming to be a breeder. Breeding dogs entails much more than just throwing two dogs together to "do it". It involves research into the bloodlines........knowing personally what every dog behind your dogs looked like, what faults they had, what good/bad things they passed to their offspring.

You are not a breeder, obviously. If you are not a breeder yet insist on producing puppies, then you are a backyard breeder. Sorry but them there is simply the facts.

You can hang around and learn what makes a good, responsible, educated breeder, or you can just go on adding to the dog population of the world. The choice is yours.


How arrogant. I guess discriminating people is your way of life. There no use debating with people like you. Arrogant...arrogant...

[Bowowee]

OH YEAH-----What is that bit about "we don't spay or neuter"?? Is that something you are proud of??????? And you equate it with cropping ears????? I am sorry, but you just don't present yourself in a favorable light at ALL!!!!

Yeah. Spaying or Neutering is what you "show people" like doing to your pets who don't pass your standard of excellence. You spay or neuter the ugly ones and let the show types keep theirs. That is discrimination. If you were a dog would you like to be neutered? I don't think so! Same with ear cropping! If you were a dog would you like your ears cropped? I don't think so! Well, what if your mother cropped your ears would you like that? What if your mother vasectomized you because you're ugly and not beautiful would you like that? People like you are cruel. Stop discriminating, stop being arrogant, stop being a hypocrite.

[juliefurry]

I tend to agree with everyone. Your website is very short and lacking very important information. What health tests where done on your dogs? Do your dogs participate in shows? If so how do they do? How are they socialized with children, or elderly people? If you want people to take you seriously you need to give better information than that. A good breeder should have spent years researching and owning the breed they want to breed before attempting to breed. They should have helped in breeding sessions with that breed as well as the birthing process so you should already know what to do.

[juliefurry]

Yeah. Spaying or Neutering is what you "show people" like doing to your pets who don't pass your standard of excellence. You spay or neuter the ugly ones and let the show types keep theirs. That is discrimination. If you were a dog would you like to be neutered? I don't think so! Same with ear cropping! If you were a dog would you like your ears cropped? I don't think so! Well, what if your mother cropped your ears would you like that? What if your mother vasectomized you because you're ugly and not beautiful would you like that? People like you are cruel. Stop discriminating, stop being arrogant.

spaying and neutering animals not fit for the showing rink is responsible. If they are not great quality puppies that will enhance whichever breed they are then theyshould be spayed/neutered before leaving you or the owners should be made to sign a spay/neuter contract. All that does is have the dog run risks of getting cancers that could have been avoided by fixing them seeing as they aren't being bred. It's just kind to the animal. Having all your puppies that are not show quality leave with a spay/neuter contract is all part of responsible breeding.

[Bowowee]

I tend to agree with everyone. Your website is very short and lacking very important information. What health tests where done on your dogs? Do your dogs participate in shows? If so how do they do? How are they socialized with children, or elderly people? If you want people to take you seriously you need to give better information than that. A good breeder should have spent years researching and owning the breed they want to breed before attempting to breed. They should have helped in breeding sessions with that breed as well as the birthing process so you should already know what to do.

I'm sorry about that. Well, in time that could be fixed. That is my very first website and I really had a hard time doing that. The contents would be updated as time goes by. The only problem I'm having is how come most of the people here are arrogant and mean...So, simple a question this what I get.

[Bowowee]

spaying and neutering animals not fit for the showing rink is responsible. If they are not great quality puppies that will enhance whichever breed they are then theyshould be spayed/neutered before leaving you or the owners should be made to sign a spay/neuter contract. All that does is have the dog run risks of getting cancers that could have been avoided by fixing them seeing as they aren't being bred. It's just kind to the animal. Having all your puppies that are not show quality leave with a spay/neuter contract is all part of responsible breeding.


I respect your opinion. Still for me, that is cruelty and discrimination. You would severe the dogs "joy" because of a "show"? Poor dogs.

[juliefurry]

I'm sorry about that. Well, in time that could be fixed. That is my very first website and I really had a hard time doing that. The contents would be updated as time goes by. The only problem I'm having is how come most of the people here are arrogant and mean...So, simple a question this what I get.

mostly because the people that come on here that are breeders don't need to ask how to breed the dogs they are breeding because they already researched and have been there through breedings of dogs not their own. Also they have mentors to help. They can go to a breeder of the same breed of dog for help when they have questions. When someone comes on saying they are a breeder and there dog is in heat what do they do it raises a red flag for everyone.

[juliefurry]

I respect your opinion. Still for me, that is cruelty and discrimination. You would severe the dogs "joy" because of a "show"? Poor dogs.

it's not really their "joy" if they are not using it. A dog who is intact and not bred doesn't really get much "joy" out of his manhood. Both my dogs are from breeders and one is spayed and the other will be soon. I would rather my dogs live long healthy lives without the unneccasary risk of ovarian cancer when they aren't even being bred.

[Bowowee]

mostly because the people that come on here that are breeders don't need to ask how to breed the dogs they are breeding because they already researched and have been there through breedings of dogs not their own. Also they have mentors to help. They can go to a breeder of the same breed of dog for help when they have questions. When someone comes on saying they are a breeder and there dog is in heat what do they do it raises a red flag for everyone.


Oh well, at least your nice. Thanks.

[juliefurry]

Oh well, at least your nice. Thanks.

I know how it is to be treated ignorantly on forums. I was just basically forced off a forum because I asked about a breeder and obviously this forum thought it was unfair and I was a HORRIBLE person so I try.

[Bowowee]

I know how it is to be treated ignorantly on forums. I was just basically forced off a forum because I asked about a breeder and obviously this forum thought it was unfair and I was a HORRIBLE person so I try.

I'm glad there are still nice and civilized people left in this forum. I came here to make friends and to broaden my knowledge about dogs. I'm not perfect, nor am I a perfectionist. I don't want to argue but I won't back out from one especially when someone is throwing derogatory remarks at me. Thanks Juliefurry. Good Luck with your dogs.

[Gallien Jacks]

Ok, why dont you start again, first could you please anwser my other question, then list the questions you have, you say you want to learn, fine but you have to post things a little more clearly, what is it you want to know?

[YorkieLover]

I don't even know why this thread is still going, this person could care a less about the advise, suggestions & even experiences given by the reputable breeders on this forum. The person has failed to answer ligitimate questions and continues to argue about spay/neuter... I know I'm not going to waste anymore of my time on this one.

[showpug]

I respect your opinion. Still for me, that is cruelty and discrimination. You would severe the dogs "joy" because of a "show"? Poor dogs.

If severing a dog's joy means preventing pyometra, testicular cancer, ovarian cancer and the far too common mammary cancer than you bet I would! Let me guess...you are unfamiliar with pyometra and how common it is and how often it takes the life of a bitch all because she's not spayed. You may call it discrimination, but I call it being responsible. Please educate yourself more on dogs in general...

[Manchesters]

Arrogant? Well, let me ask you this.......just WHAT have you done toward improving any of the breeds you let "have joy"? At least my efforts with Toy Manchesters HAS served to improve upon the breed as a whole.

Would you mind sharing with us what your age is? That would help us comprehend your viewpoint quite a bit.

I will tell you this-----you know NOTHING about dogs. What you consider arrogance, is KNOWLEDGE, EDUCATION, and RESPONSIBILITY.

Since you are obviously very new, and I also suspect very young, you have the chance here of learning how to become a responsible dog owner.......and all of us here are happy to help. But again, it would help to know what we should or should not expect you to already know. So work with us, and help us help you!

[Martine]

I'm sure you love your dogs, but please think carefully before you add to the dog population. Maybe visit a shelter and see the results of irresponsible breeding and non neutering and spaying. Seeing all those poor homeless dogs breaks your heart. People on Chaz are generally not trying to be unkind, but are they passionate about the welfare of dogs. Today alone I came across two 'intact' male dogs out searching for a female in heat. It is instinct, not joy that drives them. I can't remember where I read / saw it, but I think humans (and maybe dolphins?) are the only creatures that have sex purely for pleasure.

There are people on here with a wealth of experience but you do have to be clear with your questions or you can be misunderstood. Good luck with your search for answers!

[Bowowee]

Arrogant? Well, let me ask you this.......just WHAT have you done toward improving any of the breeds you let "have joy"? At least my efforts with Toy Manchesters HAS served to improve upon the breed as a whole.

Would you mind sharing with us what your age is? That would help us comprehend your viewpoint quite a bit.

I will tell you this-----you know NOTHING about dogs. What you consider arrogance, is KNOWLEDGE, EDUCATION, and RESPONSIBILITY.

Since you are obviously very new, and I also suspect very young, you have the chance here of learning how to become a responsible dog owner.......and all of us here are happy to help. But again, it would help to know what we should or should not expect you to already know. So work with us, and help us help you!


Well, you sure are arrogant and mean. How dare you call me a puppy miller! How dare you call me a backyard breeder! My website may not be pretty as yours but that doesn't make me a dog peddler! I'm not cruel to my pets! You don't even know me man! I know a lot of good breeders but none of them are as arrogant as you are. Putting people down and calling them names is not expected of highly civilized individuals. You may be a good breeder but you're not much of a person. Help me? Are you sure about that? Are you capable of doing that? Other peeps here are nice, yes they can help others like me...not you machester. All you do is brag and put people down.

[Bowowee]

I'm sure you love your dogs, but please think carefully before you add to the dog population. Maybe visit a shelter and see the results of irresponsible breeding and non neutering and spaying. Seeing all those poor homeless dogs breaks your heart. People on Chaz are generally not trying to be unkind, but are they passionate about the welfare of dogs. Today alone I came across two 'intact' male dogs out searching for a female in heat. It is instinct, not joy that drives them. I can't remember where I read / saw it, but I think humans (and maybe dolphins?) are the only creatures that have sex purely for pleasure.

There are people on here with a wealth of experience but you do have to be clear with your questions or you can be misunderstood. Good luck with your search for answers!

I sure do respect your opinion. You have a very good point. Maybe spaying and neutering is not so bad after all. Thank you. I sure wish some people here will be as polite and as nice as you. There is no conflict when we know how to respect other people.

[bubbatd]

I just brought my foster dog home after being neutered. I didn't spay or neuter some of my dogs when breeding either. One of my males got testicular cancer at 9 ..had him neutered and he lived until 15. Then one of my females had pyrometra ...it was terrible but the vet cleared it up as I was hoping to get a female from her . She produced a single male ...........so she was spayed.

[bubbatd]

Bow....Manchester has a wealth of information to pass on...she does ride a broom stick sometimes , so try get past that. We've all had her on our cases.

[AmberwayGSD]

Manchesters is just blunt and to the point.She is nice and helpful.She was trying to give you good advice,you just took her wrong.I agree with her though.If you need to ask questions about breeding than perhaps you should leave it to people that know what they are doing.Just my Opinion though.

[Manchesters]

OK.......No arrogance (ROFL) just the facts.

No pedigrees
No health checks
Do not spay or neuter
No showing either obedience or conformation
No reason for breeding other than to produce and sell puppies
Absolutely no knowledge of breeding


Now..........just what are the qualifications of a BYB?
Breeds more than 2 breeds of dogs
No health testing
Does not show their dogs
Do not spay or neuter their dogs
Have no knowledge of the bloodlines of their dogs
Have puppies only to sell or to add to their breeding stock


I rest my case.

Now, as I said......just how old are you, so we know what we should expect you to know. Are you interested in breeding for quality or just to have puppies to sell? If all you want is to sell puppies to make money, you will not fare well among real dog lovers.

The next move is yours. And please quit the name calling----you are very immature.

[Manchesters]

Oh--almost forgot. Thank you for the compliment about my website.

[Julie]

Well, you sure are arrogant and mean. How dare you call me a puppy miller! How dare you call me a backyard breeder! My website may not be pretty as yours but that doesn't make me a dog peddler! I'm not cruel to my pets! You don't even know me man! I know a lot of good breeders but none of them are as arrogant as you are. Putting people down and calling them names is not expected of highly civilized individuals. You may be a good breeder but you're not much of a person. Help me? Are you sure about that? Are you capable of doing that? Other peeps here are nice, yes they can help others like me...not you machester. All you do is brag and put people down.

A backyard breeder does not neccesarily mean you are cruel to your pets.
It means all of machesters said.
plus someone breeding just to have the experience of it with no real knowledge, just putting two dogs together, then selling the pups. A backyard breeder can love their pups too. But it is just not good practice.
A good breeder does health tests, temperment tests, knows breed standards and breeds to confirmation. A good breeder will also not have 3 or 4 different breeds of dogs. Just keeping a good supply for the demand????

I really would like to know one thing, Bowowee. Why did you ask about your dog being in heat for two days and then ask about breeding her?
If you have kennels and breed dogs, why didn't you know when and what to do? Is this your parents kennels? If so, I think alot of us would have more understanding to your situation.

And Manchesters is just Manchesters. She tells you what she thinks and does it with a flair. Dont be offended by her, she really is trying to share her experiences and knowledge. Not one to beat around the bush, so to speak.
I enjoy reading her posts and learning some of what she has to offer.

Do you sell your pups to petshops? or directly to new homes?

[Manchesters]

Yuppers, I am what I am what I am. I do not have the time or energy to beat around the bush. And I have made every effort to be civil in this thread. Some people however are just to obtuse to pick up on what other folks ask.

What we have here seems to be a very young individual with absolutely no first hand knowledge or experience of any aspect of dog breeding or pet ownership. Why she would have a problem just accepting the fact that she is starting out at square one, and start learning from there is beyond me. Of course she is not a BYB......she does not even know what the term implies. BUT.......neither does she seem too eager to learn how to avoid becoming a BYB.

Sooooooo.....phooey on the whole thing! I have wasted too much time, and strained myself trying to remain ladylike, roflmbo. There are many others here who can try to guide this person down the correct path for being a responsible dog owner----which mostly involves NOT breeding pet dogs! So, folks........I leave it in you all's capable hands!!!!!

[yuckaduck]

I am getting here rather late but I do have a few things to say. All of which have been said.

No pedigree, no titles, no working the dogs, no spay, no neuter....these all make me shake my head. I would be very concerned about purchasing a puppy from someone with this type of website. JMO

Manchesters: very nice, very knowledgeable, but she says it like it easy. No sugar coating things, and those of us who really know her, love her for that.

I also have very deep concerns about

"I breed Beagles" and " This is my first dog" also the fact that others have asked and no where did you answer. That is how you got labelled a troll because you contradict yourself and it gives the opinion of a troll. I am not saying you are I am just explaining how that came about.

I agree 100% with Manchesters and I rest my case right along with her because she said it way better then I ever could.

[Bowowee]

My website is still not finished neither do I claim that it is perfect. If it lacks anything essential I'd be happy to hear your comments from you folks, I'd really love that. But please, don't call me names, and don't bully me around coz I don't think I deserve that. Opinions may vary about neutering and spaying, so I respect your opinion regarding that matter. If I said anything offensive I'm sorry. I just got mad with some arrogant, and egocentric folks out there. As you know, when people get angry, they tend to say things that they don't really mean. As I've told you our opinions may vary on certain things because we have different circumstances. Whats wrong with breeding more than 2 breeds? I live on my farm, I have 30 helpers, 2 resident vets, and lots of other animals. I'm 29 years old, very independent, and already on stable ground. I have very good managerial skills and with all the help I got its not pretty hard to maintain. Still, I'd like to seek the opinions and advice of other people because I know, there are a lot of folks out there that are a whole lot better than I am. I believe that there is always room for improvement.

English is also not my native language. There will be times that I will commit errors especially on grammar. It is possible that I may be often misunderstood. Still, in my original post I did not say anything offensive. What did I get from these so called "responsible breeders"? Just crap, crap, crap, crap. Some of you called me a troll, backyard breeder, puppy miller, etc. Well, maybe too much responsible dog breeding made you a dog brain, especially one person out there. If you have so much knowledge about dogs, stay humble, don't brag and push people around. Especially the newbies. You can say your opinions in a polite and civilized manner. If you don't want to help don't say anything mean.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a92/bowowee/KeyteeSmile.jpg

Smile in Peace!!!

[Bowowee]

If you're thinkin that I'm the person in the picture you are perfectly wrong. I just got that from the net and I find it cute.

[bubbatd]

You have now given us more information to help you and work on. I have 2 questions to start ... did you breed the female you first posted about ?? Second, why post that picture if it wasn't you ?? If you were looking for " cute", post one of your dogs !

[Manchesters]

I am too old and too tired to try to educate someone from scratch. There are lots of good books out there, video tapes, websites, etc. Why even bother trying? Life is way too short. I am BOWing out!!!!

[Manchesters]

Oh, and just who is supposed to care what someone who knows nuttin' about nuttin' thinks of them? Just because someone mistakes self esteem and self assuredness as arrogance does not mean squat!!!!! I know who and what I am. And I have vowed to not waste my time dealing with numbnuts!!!!!!!! Gee, maybe I am egocentric????? Heck.......yeah I am----am PROUD OF IT!!!!!!!!!! Roflmbo.

[Melissa_W]

haha... I'm glad you're back Manchesters.

[Julie]

Yea, Me too.

ROFLMFAO
(thats for you Manchesters.)

[Bowowee]

Oh, and just who is supposed to care what someone who knows nuttin' about nuttin' thinks of them? Just because someone mistakes self esteem and self assuredness as arrogance does not mean squat!!!!! I know who and what I am. And I have vowed to not waste my time dealing with numbnuts!!!!!!!! Gee, maybe I am egocentric????? Heck.......yeah I am----am PROUD OF IT!!!!!!!!!! Roflmbo.


:) Proud of being a DOG BRAIN? Oooowwww...

~~~I offer suggestions based on my personal experience and that of others I know personally. Try them if you wish. If they work great.....if not, there are many other suggestions available here. Any questions will be happily answered. Any attempts at put downs will be ignored.~~~~
- Golly we should all believe this guy. Since he is a DOG BRAIN, he's a competent authority when it comes to dogs...daaaanggg...I sure wish I understand could understand his barking...

[Bowowee]

You have now given us more information to help you and work on. I have 2 questions to start ... did you breed the female you first posted about ?? Second, why post that picture if it wasn't you ?? If you were looking for " cute", post one of your dogs !


I'm sorry for that I was too preoccupied then. I'm not satisfied with my research and my vets opinion. So, I went to seek out other pets owners and other vets opinion. I'm always thirsty for knowledge, can't get enough of it. Yes, I was able to mate her with a very good stud. A progeny or son of K-Runs "Make Mine a Double". I just can't resist that pic. It portrays perfect happiness. I just can't resist posting it. Especially after the battering I got from some dog brains here. Thank you for being nice. You are very civilized. I hope the special kids here would learn a piece of humanity.

[Saje]

Bow,
I know that you come from a very different culture with different practices as most of the people here. Pretty much all of us believe very strongly in spaying or neutering pets for many reasons.

First of all spaying or neutering greatly increases their life expectancy as unaltered animals are MUCH more likely to get cancers (uterine, testicular...). Not only that but there is a HUGE problem with overpopulation of pets in our countries. Spaying and neutering is simply the responsible thing to do. It helps control the amount of innocent animals that are put to sleep everyday.

Try looking at this site www.petfinder.com It's full of animals in shelters that were bred by accident or by people who didn't know what they are doing. It's because of these animals that you are met with so much passion from our members.

Yes, many of them come across quite strongly but most of us volunteer at shelters and try to help these animals as much as possible. It hurts us to know that more dogs will be brought into this world who will most likely not be guaranteed homes and will suffer and die prematurely.

Tell us about your country and how you deal with the pet population. What happens to the animals without homes there?

Another reason we promote spaying and neutering is because it makes the life of the animal so much easier. They are not always in trouble for hormonal behaviours they cannot control (humping, running away, and other erratic behaviours). They don't live their lives trying to get something they can't have.

The animals don't miss something they never knew.

[Bowowee]

Bow,
I know that you come from a very different culture with different practices as most of the people here. Pretty much all of us believe very strongly in spaying or neutering pets for many reasons.

First of all spaying or neutering greatly increases their life expectancy as unaltered animals are MUCH more likely to get cancers (uterine, testicular...). Not only that but there is a HUGE problem with overpopulation of pets in our countries. Spaying and neutering is simply the responsible thing to do. It helps control the amount of innocent animals that are put to sleep everyday.

Try looking at this site www.petfinder.com It's full of animals in shelters that were bred by accident or by people who didn't know what they are doing. It's because of these animals that you are met with so much passion from our members.

Yes, many of them come across quite strongly but most of us volunteer at shelters and try to help these animals as much as possible. It hurts us to know that more dogs will be brought into this world who will most likely not be guaranteed homes and will suffer and die prematurely.

Tell us about your country and how you deal with the pet population. What happens to the animals without homes there?

Another reason we promote spaying and neutering is because it makes the life of the animal so much easier. They are not always in trouble for hormonal behaviours they cannot control (humping, running away, and other erratic behaviours). They don't live their lives trying to get something they can't have.

The animals don't miss something they never knew.

Very well said, and I respect you for that. Its the same thing as contraceptives there are always pros and cons, the debate will never end. I am a naturalist, and I am against anything that would alter the natural state of a dog. Mutilation which includes spaying, neutering, tail docking, and ear cropping are definitely a no no. I guess people do this more for their own convenience than for their dogs. Since they are busy with work and other chores they can't look over their dogs welfare all the time. Having a higher probability of having cancer is just an excuse we do for convenience. Your dog may die of other causes, not just cancer. Dogs, unspayed or not dies just the same. If you don't want your dog to roam around why don't you fence your yard or put him/her in a small kennel while you are away? The owners of the dogs is the problem not the dogs. A lot of people are not fit to have dogs unspayed ones or not. Spaying and Neutering will not solve the problem nor will it lessen it. If people are too irresponsible should the dogs pay for that? I don't think so. If you can't take all the responsibilities of owning a dog you should not get one. Thus, the one should be punished are the ones who are abusing or neglecting their pets. Thats what they do in Singapore. For me, my Dogs are family members. I love them dearly, and I would go out of my way just to seek out their welfare. I may not be a veteran or an experienced "show breeder" but I do take care of my dogs very well. Thats why when some people called me a troll, puppy miller, and a backyard breeder. Whatever they mean with those words, it connotes a negative impression. Thats why I got furious. For me, all dogs are equal. pure breed or not, show quality or pet quality...

All my dogs that are posted in my website enjoy a good life with me and my pals. They are well taken care of. Examined almost everyday by our 2 resident vets. Given the proper shelter, love, and care. Most of all, they are never discrimated by me. My website may not be complete or perfect. Yes it has a lot of flaws coz I'm really not an expert in making one. I don't breed dogs for money. I already a have a stable business for that. I don't sell to petshops or puppy retailers. I only sell or sometimes give to friends or to people who I know would pass my standards in being a responsible dog owner. I breed more than 2 types of dog breeds because I can handle it pretty well and I could afford it. I don't like to join dog shows because of the politics involved in it. Plus, I don't want to mingle with show breeders who's attitude and character resembles those of manchester and some other people here. I guess success got way above their heads which caused them to loose the virtue of humility. My dogs are my angels, they are at par with the best dogs out there. Mabuhay to all of you. My dogs are calling me. Adios.

[Martine]

The owners of the dogs is the problem not the dogs. A lot of people are not fit to have dogs unspayed ones or not. Spaying and Neutering will not solve the problem nor will it lessen it. If people are too irresponsible should the dogs pay for that? I don't think so. If you can't take all the responsibilities of owning a dog you should not get one.


I think the first two sentences above are exactly right. Unfortunately unless you put every potential animal owner through some sort of suitability test you are never going to stop irresponsible people owning pets. As humans we have a lot of responsibility for the creatures on this planet, but as a whole we abuse that responsibility all the time. That is why, I think it is responsible to neuter or spay, as you are helping to reduce the amount of unwanted animals that end up abandoned, shot, poisoned or put down. (Poisoned food is left out around here to keep down the cat population that breeds from unspayed cats - that is real cruelty - it just gets me so angry!)

Animals breed by instinct, they are not able to say, "whoops - better not sleep around and get pregnant - I can't house & feed a load of puppies." More un-neutered animals around naturally will lead to more 'accidents', even with the best intentions of owners.

I don't support ears and tails being docked - but I have to be honest and say I have never looked into it to understand why it is done.

Don't be put off Chaz - it is a great place to share experience, listen and debate, and it is full of animal lovers. However everyone has different styles on forums and comes from different backgrounds - that is what makes it so interesting, but also can cause friction.

[Bowowee]

I think the first two sentences above are exactly right. Unfortunately unless you put every potential animal owner through some sort of suitability test you are never going to stop irresponsible people owning pets. As humans we have a lot of responsibility for the creatures on this planet, but as a whole we abuse that responsibility all the time. That is why, I think it is responsible to neuter or spay, as you are helping to reduce the amount of unwanted animals that end up abandoned, shot, poisoned or put down. (Poisoned food is left out around here to keep down the cat population that breeds from unspayed cats - that is real cruelty - it just gets me so angry!)

Animals breed by instinct, they are not able to say, "whoops - better not sleep around and get pregnant - I can't house & feed a load of puppies." More un-neutered animals around naturally will lead to more 'accidents', even with the best intentions of owners.

I don't support ears and tails being docked - but I have to be honest and say I have never looked into it to understand why it is done.

Don't be put off Chaz - it is a great place to share experience, listen and debate, and it is full of animal lovers. However everyone has different styles on forums and comes from different backgrounds - that is what makes it so interesting, but also can cause friction.


Very well said. You have nice point there. But, if given a choice, I don't think dogs would like to be neutered or spayed, same with most of us. No matter how many you neuter or spay it wont help at all. Believe me it will not help at all. The solution is for our respective governments to pass and enforce tough laws against irresponsible people. It works. I saw it done in Singapore. They have tough animal laws there and they slap stiff fines and even imprisonment to those who neglect or abuse their pets. That is the only solution. Spaying and Neutering is will not work. A country as advanced and as progressive as yours could certainly do that.
Yes I also met a lot of nice peeps here. Very nice, and very civilized. I also would not let myself be abused by arrogant showoffs. These people are only tough here but are wimps in real life. Thats why, they try to do their stuff here. Instead of helping others they just put them down. If they don't want to help, fine. Just stop abusing with blatant remarks.

[showpug]

Very well said. You have nice point there. But, if given a choice, I don't think dogs would like to be neutered or spayed, same with most of us. No matter how many you neuter or spay it wont help at all. Believe me it will not help at all. The solution is for our respective governments to pass and enforce tough laws against irresponsible people. It works. I saw it done in Singapore. They have tough animal laws there and they slap stiff fines and even imprisonment to those who neglect or abuse their pets. That is the only solution. Spaying and Neutering is will not work. A country as advanced and as progressive as yours could certainly do that.
Yes I also met a lot of nice peeps here. Very nice, and very civilized. I also would not let myself be abused by arrogant showoffs. These people are only tough here but are wimps in real life. Thats why, they try to do their stuff here. Instead of helping others they just put them down. If they don't want to help, fine. Just stop abusing with blatant remarks.

Fortunatley, this country was founded on less government control, not more. I think it would be a scary day if what you described above actually happened. What you say is ideal in theory, but not in reality. You speak of animal abuse and neglect, well, we are talking about breeding unwanted pets and that is not considered abuse, so how would the government regulate that? Plus, what about all the real breeders out there who have dedicated their life to a certain breed by showing, mentoring and breeding top dogs that carry on the breed standard. Should they be slapped with stiff fines and imprisonment? I can honestly tell you thats spaying and neutering alone does work. The amount of unwanted pets has gone down dramatically since the shelters have started spaying and neutering and vets are also offering low cost spay and neuter services. When I was a small child you could find free kittens available around every corner. Now, they are very hard to come by, at least in the state I live.

[Saje]

I have no doubt that you love your dogs. That's quite apparent. I just can't agree with you about spaying and neutering. If I can double my dogs life expectancy by spaying and neutering I will. It is not for selfish reasons. In fact it costs us a lot of money and heartache sometimes to do it but it is in their best interest.

I have seen male dogs bend rebar fencing to get at a female in heat and I've seen female dogs climb fences to get out. You can have proper fencing all you want but a dog in heat is a very determined creature. They will dig, climb, jump... whatever they have to to get out in the neighbourhood with the boys. And the boys will try just as hard to get in.

I'll never understand NOT spaying and neutering. There are just too many cons.

[Bowowee]

Fortunatley, this country was founded on less government control, not more. I think it would be a scary day if what you described above actually happened. What you say is ideal in theory, but not in reality. You speak of animal abuse and neglect, well, we are talking about breeding unwanted pets and that is not considered abuse, so how would the government regulate that? Plus, what about all the real breeders out there who have dedicated their life to a certain breed by showing, mentoring and breeding top dogs that carry on the breed standard. Should they be slapped with stiff fines and imprisonment? I can honestly tell you thats spaying and neutering alone does work. The amount of unwanted pets has gone down dramatically since the shelters have started spaying and neutering and vets are also offering low cost spay and neuter services. When I was a small child you could find free kittens available around every corner. Now, they are very hard to come by, at least in the state I live.


Yes. Some of us have that lame excuse of having this so called dedication or for betterment of the breed while the true reason behind this is really self prestige and satisfaction. From what I see in the posts, from what I read in the news, and articles in your place. I have come to conclude that neutering and spaying is really not effective. As I've told you the debate on this matter would be endless as this is an issue of morality. Just like the countless debates about abortion, divorce, terrorism, etc. This will never end. I've heard your side of the story and you heard mine. Whoever is right or wrong, that depends on each persons view of morality. The good thing about this discussion is we were able to successfully discuss things and share ideas like civilized human beings. Unlike some people I know. I guess, senility must be setting in for that poor person. Oh well, I could be wrong you know. Peace to all and have a nice day.

[yuckaduck]

But please, don't call me names, and don't bully me around coz I don't think I deserve that. Opinions may vary about neutering and spaying, so I respect your opinion regarding that matter. If I said anything offensive I'm sorry. I just got mad with some arrogant, and egocentric folks out there. As you know, when people get angry, they tend to say things that they don't really mean.


I do not really think there has been name calling here either. No one is bullying you, you asked opinions and when you got them, it made you angry.

People here are not fans of backyard breeders, they are fans of responsible breeders.

The getting angry and saying things, get some self control because no one here knows you and nothing is personal.

[yuckaduck]

:) Proud of being a DOG BRAIN? Oooowwww...

~~~I offer suggestions based on my personal experience and that of others I know personally. Try them if you wish. If they work great.....if not, there are many other suggestions available here. Any questions will be happily answered. Any attempts at put downs will be ignored.~~~~
- Golly we should all believe this guy. Since he is a DOG BRAIN, he's a competent authority when it comes to dogs...daaaanggg...I sure wish I understand could understand his barking...


Not this guy she is a she. She also has alot of experience and alot of knowledge. Nothing Manchesters says should ever be brushed off, she speaks the truth and she knows.

[Manchesters]

Well, I guess this is one of the instances when having someone on ignore don't work, rofl. However it is getting to the point where I may have to ask Chaz to request that this (insert any word you wish) stop harassing me and start limiting the posts to DOGS and questions. I know the forum is open to children..but childish behavior is rather annoying!!!

[showpug]

:) Proud of being a DOG BRAIN? Oooowwww...

~~~I offer suggestions based on my personal experience and that of others I know personally. Try them if you wish. If they work great.....if not, there are many other suggestions available here. Any questions will be happily answered. Any attempts at put downs will be ignored.~~~~
- Golly we should all believe this guy. Since he is a DOG BRAIN, he's a competent authority when it comes to dogs...daaaanggg...I sure wish I understand could understand his barking...

Honestly, you need to stop. You are making enemies, not friends. If you took a poll, the majority agrees with manchesters and she has earned a lot of respect and admiration...something you may never do if you keep it up. I would urge the moderators to get on your case for this childish behavior.

[Saje]

Well, its still not right to call someone a troll or to accuse someone of being a puppy mill.

You are right. We should always give people the benefit of the doubt and let them explain the situation. However, you also need to think about how you are posting and how you want people to treat you. NOBODY should attack another member personally. I don't want to see this continue.

[yuckaduck]

I am sorry Saje and I will join Manchesters and place the person on ignore.

[Gallien Jacks]

Ok could you please anwser a simple question for me! What are you breeding? All i wnat is your personal reasons nothing else, it may help

[Love4Pits]

Yeah. Spaying or Neutering is what you "show people" like doing to your pets who don't pass your standard of excellence. You spay or neuter the ugly ones and let the show types keep theirs. That is discrimination. If you were a dog would you like to be neutered? I don't think so! Same with ear cropping! If you were a dog would you like your ears cropped? I don't think so! Well, what if your mother cropped your ears would you like that? What if your mother vasectomized you because you're ugly and not beautiful would you like that? People like you are cruel. Stop discriminating, stop being arrogant, stop being a hypocrite.
That was the dumbest most idiotic statement I have ever read.
I breed working dogs and only certain seclect few of my "pack" are not spayed or neutered. You want to know why? Because they are unfit to be bred health wise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It has nothing to do with being ugly its in the favor of future pups health examples being poor hips or eyes or personality so they do not end up with these things in the future. You are not a responsible breeder at ALL.

[Bowowee]

That was the dumbest most idiotic statement I have ever read.
I breed working dogs and only certain seclect few of my "pack" are not spayed or neutered. You want to know why? Because they are unfit to be bred health wise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It has nothing to do with being ugly its in the favor of future pups health examples being poor hips or eyes or personality so they do not end up with these things in the future. You are not a responsible breeder at ALL.


As I've I told everyone here. Its a question of morality. :-) To you it might be the dumbest most idiotic statement, to others its not. Have you wondered why there are terrorist and suicide bombers out there? The reason for that is they don't know how to respect other peoples beliefs. When I sad those statements it went overboard because I got really pissed off from a lot of peeps who ganged up on me and called me names. I'm sorry for that.

I'm not childish or anything. I just find a couple of people here rude and arrogant. I don't think Chaz made this forum just for you guys. He also made this to help others especially those who are new to dog breeding. I you don't want to hear anything from me stop pushin me around. Defending ones honor is not childish. Its natural.

I said my piece in a couple of post already. The debate about this is endless. Have a nice day Love4Pits.

[EliNHunter]

Oh, good Lord... I finally got through this thread and I'm absolutely speechless!!! Besides the 1,5085,418 other reasons to disagree... spaying/neutering is mutilation and shouldn't be done???? Guess that says it all...

[nedim]

Bowowee, you seem to be very mis-informed about the topic at hand. "you people are cruel"? Im sorry, I guess its not cruel to leave your dog intact and risk it getting pregnant. I guess its not cruel to see dogs euthanized because they are part of the tremendous over-population issue.

[EliNHunter]

I wonder if Bowow has educated herself in the over-population problem of dogs and cats in this country? And how many are killed every day?

[nedim]

I also wonder if he.she has ever seen that dog euthanization video. It broke my heart.

[EliNHunter]

I also wonder if he.she has ever seen that dog euthanization video. It broke my heart.
What video? (oh, gawd... I'm probably sorry for asking already...)

[nedim]

It was the one of the golden at the shelter. Noone claimed him so they sat him on the table(tail wagging and all) and euthanized him.

[EliNHunter]

Where is the video?

[nedim]

that, I dont know, sorry. I'll try to look it up and if I find it, I'll post it.

[EliNHunter]

that, I dont know, sorry. I'll try to look it up and if I find it, I'll post it.

No biggy, Nedim. Probably best that I don't cry myself to sleep tonight, anyway. I couldn't be there for my Yogi's being PTS (Grammy did it for me). And Eli died peacefully while napping at Grammy's while I was out of town on business. I finally was able to do my "first" with Catfish, my 15 year old white cat. He went very peacefully but was very old and sick. I can't imagine seeing a very perfectly healthy animal wagging his tail and smiling one minute and dying the next. Probably for the better. I'm still having nightmares of the "dog trade for fur" in other countries...

[nedim]

No biggy, Nedim. Probably best that I don't cry myself to sleep tonight, anyway. I couldn't be there for my Yogi's being PTS (Grammy did it for me). And Eli died peacefully while napping at Grammy's while I was out of town on business. I finally was able to do my "first" with Catfish, my 15 year old white cat. He went very peacefully but was very old and sick. I can't imagine seeing a very perfectly healthy animal wagging his tail and smiling one minute and dying the next. Probably for the better. I'm still having nightmares of the "dog trade for fur" in other countries...


The video was quite sad...but it serves a good purpose in some cases I suppose.

I cant imagine how hard it must be to let go....

[mrose_s]

i do not suggest breeding a first dog ever

[Mordy]

what i don't understand is how someone can claim to be breeding for "betterment of the breed" and at the same time argue that spaying/neutering of those that don't quite make the cut for breeding is "discrimination".

just a few decades ago, many pups simply got culled instead of being spayed/neutered and placed in pet homes.

[gaddylovesdogs]

LMBO obviously you don't really know much about dogs or the dog world if you view spaying and neutering as vicious.

[mrose_s]

true. I don't think it is very nice to haev that happen. I know i wouldnt like to be spayed *awkward* but I can also see that it is very important.

[SummerRiot]

holy.. that was exhausting to read and extremely frustrating..

from the very first time she/he? posted their introduction I was suspicious.. I dunno if anyone saw my comment on how I was surprised she had three different breeds on the go.

She is a very ignorant person to say that she doesn't spay or neuter because its mean lol Obviously they have never taken a walk through a local humane society, or see strays on the street...

*completely frustrated*.. i'm done with this thread!

[Saje]

I wouldn't call her ignorant. It's just a different culture then ours. You can see that in several of our members who don't agree with spaying and neutering.

[Bowowee]

A person having a different opinion from you does not make him/her stupid.

[EliNHunter]

I thought you said "bye" weeks ago??

[Gallien Jacks]

A person having a different opinion from you does not make him/her stupid.
Please learn to listen and think about the health of you dogs!

[Bowowee]

Please learn to listen and think about the health of you dogs!

Hmmm...My dogs are perfectly healthy...happy...and complete. Thanks for your concern though.

[Gallien Jacks]

Hmmm...My dogs are perfectly healthy...happy...and complete. Thanks for your concern though.
Ahh I am talking about breeding just for the sake of it and not spaying!

[MyBestFriendIsADog]

I wouldn't call her ignorant. It's just a different culture then ours. You can see that in several of our members who don't agree with spaying and neutering.

Throwing my 2 cents in to say I agree, Saje. I have a very dear friend who, prior to his immigration to Canada, practiced as a veterinarian in the Phillipines. He often commented on how little of his practice in the Phillipines consisted of spaying and neutering pet dogs and cats, which is obviously almost the exact opposite of the "bread and butter" of veterinary practices in North America. According to him most dogs and cats in the Phillipines are not spayed or neutered, and many, many people breed their dogs (both purposefully and accidentally). Now, we may find this abhorrent, but one needs to remember that this is a different culture and a different view of domestic pets may exist from the one we hold.

There are countries which would consider our furry friends to be potential dinner "guests" (and I mean on the plate, not eating from it!), and in other countries our consumption of beef and milk is considered weird, if not downright vile (a good friend taught at a Chinese university for several years, and whenever he visited North America his Chinese colleagues would tease him on his return for "stinking" like milk and cheese, LOL!). Another friend of mine from France has often dined on horsemeat, which I find a repulsive thought....

Not every culture holds the same views of animals that we do, and not every culture thinks spaying and neutering one's pets is the only way to go. There has to be some room for cultural diversity in this topic, just as in any other.:)

[rottnpagan]

Good lord. Eleven pages of drivel?

Everyone, stop feeding the troll. :S

[Saje]

Please don't call members names rottnpagan.

[rottnpagan]

Please don't call members names rottnpagan.

Just calling it like I saw it, and it's not just me saying that either.

No worries. Won't be making any more comments.

[Bowowee]

Thank you. Thats very nice of you to say that.

[Sheba]

Yeah. Spaying or Neutering is what you "show people" like doing to your pets who don't pass your standard of excellence. You spay or neuter the ugly ones and let the show types keep theirs. That is discrimination. If you were a dog would you like to be neutered? I don't think so!

Are you saying my dog is ugly and me irrosponsible?

I sure do respect your opinion. You have a very good point. Maybe spaying and neutering is not so bad after all. Thank you. I sure wish some people here will be as polite and as nice as you. There is no conflict when we know how to respect other people.

Thats offensive!You are being mean to my friends because of their opinions!

[Bowowee]

duh...

[EliNHunter]

duh...

What exactly does "duh" mean here, Bowow? I see you're from the Philippines and will grant you that you may have different views from some non-Asian countries with the way you bring up your dogs. I would just ask for a bit of sensitivity on your part as I ask for others in the U.S. on their view points. It's kind of like someone from the U.S. getting on a website that's mostly Indian and bashing them for worshipping and not eating cows.

[Bowowee]

What exactly does "duh" mean here, Bowow? I see you're from the Philippines and will grant you that you may have different views from some non-Asian countries with the way you bring up your dogs. I would just ask for a bit of sensitivity on your part as I ask for others in the U.S. on their view points. It's kind of like someone from the U.S. getting on a website that's mostly Indian and bashing them for worshipping and not eating cows.

duh...

[bubbatd]

Easy, Bow.....we've been pretty kind to you here.! Please don't be rude.

[Bowowee]

I ain't being rude. I just don't know what to say. Thats why I answer "duh". Being rude is when you resort to name calling like what a lot of people threw at me here.

[Saje]

'duh' is like saying 'you're stupid' or 'that's obvious' I hope you don't mean it that way.

[Bowowee]

Hmmmm...not really. I was acting like "Moose" from Archie Comics. Lets just say that I'm acting "stupid".

[amymarley]

Wow, I do like this site, but as others have seen, I have my own points of view... No, I am not saying anyone has to agree with them, but they are mine, just like all of you have yours. Again, I think we have too many unwanted animals out there that need help, and I find no solice in breeding more at the moment. My background may be different than yours (speaking to all the above), but I think most of us have heart in what we do. Again, I will say there are really good breeders out there, and others who are not.

Why do you feel the need to breed your dog just because she is in heat? If you say there is no money to be made, etc...

As for only breeding certain dogs in a litter... It sounds like a "beauty contest" I for one, hate dog shows... not that you have to bash me or agree with me, I am just speaking my mind. I love a dog, any dog, pure bred, mix-breed/mutt... I just try to save them and give them a good life. It may be that I just don't understand the points of view some of you have (NOT that I am being a bit*h about it, I just don't get it. But that's just me. ) The dog shows, the cat shows, the horse racing.. just does not appeal to me.

As for breeding, I would listen to the posters above, they know what they are talking about.

[Bowowee]

Very well said.

[Dizzy]

Is this thread still going??

Why don't you just agree to disagree :)

[Bowowee]

I agree to disagree

[Dizzy]

:d :)

[Gallien Jacks]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, this is driving me mad I wish it would be closed!

[Bowowee]

Please help the poor guy.

[nedim]

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[EliNHunter]

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I'm with Nedim. Bowow (yawn)... you just want attention...

[bubbatd]

If anyone has anything intelligent to say, do it now.! Otherwise this will be closed .........going once...going twice...........

[Bowowee]

No more takers...

[Bowowee]

I'm with Nedim. Bowow (yawn)... you just want attention...

I don't think so hommes...

[bubbatd]

.... strike three....we're outta here !